At Least 72 Measles Cases in the US
The biggest measles outbreak—72 cases so far—since 2001 is occurring across the US, today’s Reuters reports. No one who has caught the highly contagious disease has died, but 14 people have been hospitalized, mostly with pneumonia brought on by measles.
The CDC said 64 cases were reported from January 1 through April 25 in Arizona, California, Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.
Eight more confirmed cases — all involving unvaccinated children in one family who had attended a church gathering in the Seattle area — have been reported since then in Washington state, the state department of health said on Thursday.
There were 116 cases of measles in the US in 2001, with the last major outbreak occurring from 1989 to 1991, when 55,000 people got measles and 123 died.
Did proponents, some quite vocal, of the hypothesis that vaccines or something in vaccines might be linked to autism consider that something like this outbreak might happen?
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98 opinions for At Least 72 Measles Cases in the US
liquid zeolite
May 1, 2008 at 7:45 pm
“The CDC said 64 cases were reported from January 1 through April 25 in Arizona, California, Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.”
I wonder how many of the 64 got vaccinated against measles?
Mrs. C
May 1, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I read a news report that 63 of those 64 were not. I was vaccinated against the measles and STILL contracted a medically documented case in college.
MJ
May 1, 2008 at 10:31 pm
For a complete breakdown of the population, see here:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm57e501a1.htm
This document does not yet include the latest family of 8.
To summarize:
Sixty-three of the 64 patients were unvaccinated or had unknown or undocumented vaccination status.
Note the use of the work “undocumented” - for those of us who are no loner children, how many of you could produce your vaccination records from age 2 if you had to. I know I couldn’t.
For example, from the report :
“Two adults in the Arizona outbreak reported receipt of 1 and 2 vaccine doses, respectively, but lacked documentation.”
And they are counted in the non-vaccinated population.
So I am thinking that portion of the population that was vaccinated is higher than 1/64.
Also there were 13 children under than age of 1 and another 7 between 12 months and 15 months. So infants are 34% of your population.
“I was vaccinated against the measles and STILL contracted a medically documented case in college.”
This is something that I don’t think is brought up enough. Just because you get a vaccine does not mean you are immune. My wife had a similar problem. As part of her job several years ago she received 2 MMR booster shots over the course of 6 months yet never developed the antibodies from the shots.
Another example of this is a mumps outbreak that occurred in 2006 :
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm55d518a1.htm
Where at least 51% of the 2,597 cases had documented vaccinations.
So, do proponents, some quite vocal, of vaccinations consider that the outbreaks are going to happen even if the victims are vaccinated?
HCN
May 1, 2008 at 10:32 pm
What kind of spam software blocks the CDC website?
Second try… From cdc.gov/Features/MeaslesUpdate/ :
“Of the 64 people infected by the measles virus, only 1 had documentation of prior vaccination. Among the other 63 case-patients were 14 infants who were too young to be vaccinated. Many of the cases among US children occurred in children whose parents claimed exemption from vaccination due to religious or personal beliefs, or in children too young to be vaccinated.”
Storkdok
May 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I remember the measles outbreak in the early 1990’s in SoCal when I was in Residency. We had quite a few pregnant women who lost their babies. They were unvaccinated because they were undocumented laborers from Mexico and South and Central America. We did have a couple of them with pneumonias who were on ventilators for a while.
It made an impression on me!
We had a Pertussis outbreak here in Maine a few months ago. I kept getting messages from the Maine CDC about it. No children died, thank heaven.
HCN
May 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Okay… I get to be moderated for mentioning the CDC! Yikes!
Third try… from (split the URL)…
cdc.gov
/Features
/MeaslesUpdate/
(just connect them)
“Of the 64 people infected by the measles virus, only 1 had documentation of prior vaccination. Among the other 63 case-patients were 14 infants who were too young to be vaccinated. Many of the cases among US children occurred in children whose parents claimed exemption from vaccination due to religious or personal beliefs, or in children too young to be vaccinated.”
So, yeah… most of them were not vaccinated. One actually was, but that happens when the MMR is about 95% effective (that means 5 out of a hundred people who are vaccinated are not immune).
HCN
May 1, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Oh, bother… Just delete all my comments. Obviously it was NOT the posting of the CDC website. It just doesn’t like me.
ange
May 1, 2008 at 11:23 pm
In MO, I heard a well know autism doc (he’s one of the guys people flock to) here on the radio state that it is common practice to delay vaccination of a child until after the age of 2 / 2.5 if a sibling has an autism spectrun disorder. Did I miss this “common practice” somewhere?
Emily
May 1, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Immunity can wane, it’s that simple. People who had the pertussis vaccination decades ago no longer are immune, and that’s OK…for them, given that they were protected at a critical period. Pertussis is unlikely to kill someone who is not an infant. Vaccines are designed to protect CHILDREN from “childhood” diseases, and it doesn’t matter much that the immunity wanes over time as long as the target age group receives protection. Unvaccinated children don’t have that protection as this outbreak clearly illustrates. Herd immunity doesn’t work if you leave the herd.
I, too, have received two measles boosters and still don’t have the titers to register as a result. So what? That’s not terribly relevant to the issue of the initial effectiveness of the vaccine. I’ve actually also had the measles, and I STILL don’t have the antibodies to show for it.
This virus doesn’t care who you are or what your lifestyle choices are. It doesn’t care if you take a “principled” stand against vaccinating your children. If it infects them, it can kill them. It kills by the millions and hospitalizes a significant percentage of people who contract it. It kills babies in the womb. And a single shot helps keep this from happening.
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 2, 2008 at 12:16 am
@HCN, sorry—-was at the pool and grocery store just when your posts were coming through. It’s the URLs that send comments into moderation.
Your difficulty posting comments (and yours say lots) is making me think I could use mobile Internet so I could check while Charlie is enjoying his lengthy shower in the YMCA family locker room…….
Ms. Clark
May 2, 2008 at 12:41 am
I get the impression that people like Jenny McCarthy and JB Handley and Jim Carrey think that a few dozen deaths from measles in a month would be a *healthy* and *natural* thing.
Sure, and at least the kids wouldn’t be autistic any more…. except their buddy Bradstreet, the one who used to have Wakefield working with him, says that kids can get autism from wild-type measles.
Oh yes. So if a kid can get this measles “infection in the gut” (that never ever has happened in even 1 kid) from vaccines, then according to this DAN! gawd, they can get autism from their little friend Joey who is unvaxinated…. or they could die. But it would be a nice healthy natural death, right Jenny McCarthy? Right JB Handley? Right Jim Carrey? How many adoring fans are you going to have, Jim Carey, after they find out your advice got a bunch of kids killed in a really gruesome manner?
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 2, 2008 at 12:44 am
I think the move from saying that one is “anti-vaccine” to an “advocate for vaccine safety” is one way that some have tried to address the “really gruesome” realities of diseases like measles.
Ms. Clark
May 2, 2008 at 12:54 am
But JB Handley recommends that people never vaccinate for measles mumps and rubella, according to his own created vaccine schedule. Not even in separate doses. Not ever. They are recommending that all babies go unprotected from measles always.
So when someone listens to Jenny McAirhead or her dumb and dumber boyfiend they get the advice that might lead to one’s baby dying.
They can say whatever they want then, but if someone thinks they’ll take Jim Carey’s advice not to vaccinate for measles and the baby dies, I think this is not going to look good. Not in Hollywood. Not in Peoria.
And what are they going to do with all those unvaxed kids supposedly showing up for the “green our vaccine” rally if one of them shows up with measles or rubella? Oh joy!!!
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 2, 2008 at 12:56 am
Because the rally’s in DC, I guess there will be some “agencies” or a certain “environment” to blame.
Ms. Clark
May 2, 2008 at 1:06 am
:-) Yeah. I think they moved the rally from the CDC because they think the black helicopters might spray them with measles virus. But who knows what the Pentagon would do, huh? surely they are in league with the CDC and HHS and FDA….oooooh. I guess the worse case scenario would be if the Rally moms bring some infected kids with them and leave behind a legacy of dead and maimed babies a few weeks later, children of residents of DC.
liquid zeolite
May 2, 2008 at 2:07 am
Here’s a storyline you’re not likely to see here:
“Merck lab gets letter from FDA to fix quality problems ASAP or face being shut down”. You all talk about vaccines being so great for health, but how many of you understand business or the marketplace? How many of you have business degrees? Do you understand corporate fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders and how that trumps everything else? Do you understand what significance it has on a business when it becomes exempt from litigation even if it acts negligently or wantonly causes harm or even death to others, even the most helpless among us?
Such is the case with the vaccine makers. They can care less about safety or the quality of their products. Case and point the Merck lab in West Point, Pennsylvania. Read the letter they got from the FDA and read each and every line and try to gather the significance of every violation:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6756c.htm
Here are a few highlights, or should I say lowlights:
1. You failed to thoroughly investigate any unexplained discrepancy of a batch or any of its components to meet any of its specifications whether or not the batch has already been distributed and to extend the investigation to other batches of the same drug product and other drug products that may have been associated with the specific failure or discrepancy [21 CFR 211.192]. For example:
a. You submitted a Biological Product Deviation Report to FDA in October 2006, due to the [redacted] of Varivax III being out-of-specification at the two month stability time point. This product had been shipped to [redacted] and then returned to the United States before being placed on stability. The product was not licensed in the United States at the time of the deviation. Your investigation concluded that the failure was due to the ingress of [redacted] into the vial headspace during shipment [redacted].
b. Numerous customer complaints have been received citing over-pressurization of vials. For example, Complaints 48891 and 53106 for Zostavax®, lot [redacted], concerned over-pressurization of vials. The investigations did not address the possibility of [redacted] ingress as the reason for over-pressurization of vials. The investigation also did not consider the possibility that the packing method might not be functioning as validated.
c. Not all lots of product that may have been affected by fibers being shed from [redacted] lot [redacted] were assessed. Only [redacted] lots of product, where the fibers were observed during filling, were quarantined and assessed. Approximately [redacted] lots of lyophilized product and [redacted] lots of liquid products were filled during the time of receipt and use of [redacted] lot [redacted].
d. Product lots that failed the initial [redacted] visual inspection for critical defects such as [redacted] and [redacted] were not thoroughly investigated. For example, MMR II® lots [redacted] and [redacted] failed the critical defect category for [redacted] and no investigations were performed. These lots were subsequently distributed.
2. You failed to establish adequate written procedures describing the handling of all written and oral complaints regarding a drug product [21 CFR 211.198]. For example, Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) 283-316, [redacted] directs that a lot history be performed. This lot history is performed for the final finish lot number, which is the packaging/labeling lot number. However, complaints such as leaking vials/syringes and various container/closure defects would be associated with a fill lot number, and a fill lot number may be associated with several final finish lot numbers.
3. Your firm failed to assure that there are written procedures for production and process controls designed to assure that the drug products have the identity, strength, quality, and purity they purport or are represented to possess [21 CFR 211.100(a)]. For example:
a. The validation performed in December 2006 for [redacted] machines 2, 3, and 4 is not representative of the actual automated inspection process for detection of [redacted] defects, in that there was no assessment of acceptably filled vials. This equipment is used to inspect multiple vaccine products from filling lines 131 and 138.
b. Process control limits were not evaluated and re-established for filling line defects for Zostavax® as required by SOP 300-103X.
4. You failed to assure that equipment used in the manufacture, processing, packing and holding of a drug product is calibrated, inspected, or checked according to a written program designed to assure proper performance [21CFR 211.68(a)].
5. You failed to exercise appropriate controls over computer or related systems to assure that changes in master production are instituted and input and output from the computer or related system of formulas are checked for accuracy and maintained [21 CFR 211.68(b)], in that there is no documentation to support software manufacturing change performed to the [redacted] used in the manufacture of Gardasil®, lots [redacted] and [redacted].
6. You failed to establish test procedures or other laboratory control mechanisms designed to assure that drug products conform to appropriate standards of identity, strength, quality, and purity and to assure that any deviation from the written test procedures or laboratory control mechanisms shall be recorded and justified [21 CFR 211.160(a) and (b)]. For example:
a. During review of atypical process reports (APR’s), QA release personnel may edit the number of occurrences calculated by the software. This practice is not addressed in the product release SOP. In addition, the practice has been used inconsistently. The number of occurrences is reportedly decreased if the root causes of the multiple deviations are not related; however, the opposite logic was applied to nine test failures for VAQTA®. These nine test failures, although related, were recorded as a single occurrence in the deviation tracking system.
b. CP 9110.001, [redacted] does not direct that any anomaly concerning the product or sample preparation such as leaking vials or test canisters, over-pressurized vials, or particles be documented on the testing worksheet.
c. There are no data to support extension of expiration for preservative-free RECOMBIVAX HB® Reference Standard Lot [redacted] to [redacted] years, as [redacted] year stability data are not yet available.
1. You failed to assure that there are written production and process controls designed to assure that the drug products have the identity, strength, quality, and purity they purport or are represented to possess. For example:
a. SOP 209-205X, [redacted] allows for a maximum of three re-dispensing operations prior to filling. To date, there have been no stability studies initiated for [redacted] re-dispensed bulk.
b. There are no data to support the [redacted] post [redacted] hold time for tanks used in the [redacted] Manufacturing Complex [redacted]. Specifically, the tanks used for media challenges to support the [redacted] post [redacted] hold were not equivalent to the PedvaxHIB® processing tanks.
a. You failed to quarantine numerous process intermediates associated with the use of [redacted] filter membranes that were identified to cause foaming during filtration.
Your investigation into leaks discovered in the [redacted] during [redacted] recharge for lot [redacted] concluded that the leaks resulted from a small hole in the [redacted]. The investigation also concluded there was no impact “due to the isolation of the leak and immediate remediation of the leak.” Attached to the investigation was an unsigned and undated chronology of events, estimated to the second. This information was derived from a notebook maintained by the production operator. However, these pages from the notebook are no longer available.
APR 2006-204C-0034 dated 8/24/2006 was issued for the sterility failure of Pedvax bulk lot [redacted]. The contaminant was noted as [redacted]. The investigation failed to assess a recent change in the SIP cycle for [redacted] tank [redacted] in [redacted]. The validation of this SIP change was subsequently implicated during investigation of the failure of a [redacted] media challenge, which led to the recall of several PedVaxHIB® and COMVAX® lots.
All of you drug company lap dogs should consider the effects immunity has on your industry.
liquid zeolite
May 2, 2008 at 2:48 am
If you’re like me and you like to rummage through the garbage of someone you’re investigating, this page is great fun: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/wlcfm/recentfiles.cfm
Have to love the FOIA!
Melody
May 2, 2008 at 3:56 am
liquid zeolite:
As far as I see, nobody’s suggesting that vaccines and that those who produce it are exempt from litigation or responsibility. Vaccine injuries are a known thing to happen, long before this vaccine-autism scare. You can go to court and get compensated for it. Looking critically at the science and the statistics and concluding that there is no vaccine-autism causation is not the same as saying “The drug companies couldn’t POSSIBLY do any wrong because official people can do no sin”. Hell, I am an avid critic of the pharmaceutical companies, but I’m not basing where I’m coming from off of the fact that they’re suspect. There are all kinds of individuals and agencies that have ulterior motives and are corrupt, but that’s not the way you do critical reasoning to evaluate public health policy. You have to look at public health impact, statistics, science, and related reasoning.
And about the segment of the measles cases who were infants too young for vaccination: having the rest of the population being vaccinated creates enough herd immunity that those too young for it are not likely to contract it. When you get increasing numbers of people not vaccinating, however, then that ups the risk for the infants, and is also a valid indicator of the effects of anti-vaccination rhetoric.
passionlessDrone
May 2, 2008 at 8:52 am
Hello friends -
Seventy two cases since 2001 is an ‘outbreak’? What does that make autism? For someone who generally doesn’t like sensationalistic media, fear mongering, or a focus on vaccines, this is a pretty confusing post.
This scary story from the CDC tells us that a full one in four children is not up to date on their vaccinations.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Germs/story?id=4751184&page=1
What’s more, these are not the crazy idealouges that love JB or whoever, but just people who fell behind on their schedule. (Or were vaccinated too early, and thus got reduced protection). If we count toddlers as people under three, and four million people are born in the US each year, that leaves three million toddlers undervaccined. Going back to 2001, thats six million, or more.
The result of this haphazard, chronic undervaccinating? 15 people a year are getting measles. If you want to convince people that not following the current vaccine schedule has a negibile impact on national health, pushing numbers like this out is a good way to do it.
By way of comaprison, from 1995 - 2004, there were 489 deaths by lightning.
http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/stats/95-04_Deaths_by_state.pdf
I am very conflicted. I understand and agree that vaccination is terribly important; and no doubt, saves lives. But stories like this are more than likely going to convince the new reader of the opposite. The CDC (and others) likely feel like they are losing the PR war, and have some rational fears over losing the publics faith in vaccination; but there has to be a better way to convince people. I just do not know what it is.
Take care, everyone!
- pD
Chuck
May 2, 2008 at 9:36 am
Well stated PD!
Landru
May 2, 2008 at 11:52 am
Slightly OT, but since several have mentioned it in this comments thread:
I live in the DC area, and I’ve been trying to find out if anyone knows of planned counterdemonstrations on June 4 (or pro-vaccination demonstrations on that or some other date). I’m having trouble digging anything up through Googling, but that could just be a deficiency in my searching skills. Thanks.
liquid zeolite
May 2, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Melody,
Vaccine makers are held unaccountable for their dangerous products, You and I (taxpayers) pay the victims a mere pittance of what it cost to raise a brain damaged child (not to mention no punitive damages). The drug makers, well, they go to the country club and sip martini’s and play golf during their lunch break knowing full well that even if they cause a plague of deaths and injury, it won’t cost them a dime! And that’s my point. Without accountability, and with a profit margin dictating decision, we have a recipe for disaster, and disaster (autism) is what we’ve gotten.
Here is some pertinent information to back my assertions:
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in 1986 and the Vaccine Compensation Amendments in 1987 and 1995. The Act establishes a compensation system for those persons who may be injured by routine vaccinations. The system is intended to be expeditious and fair. It is also intended to compensate persons with vaccine injuries without requiring the difficult individual determination of causation of injury and without a demonstration that a manufacturer was negligent or that a vaccine was defective H.R. Rep. 99-908, 99th Cong., (1986).
Here is why I claim an exemption and don’t have to vaccinate my children, because I believe that killing or hurting a child is wrong and evil and against my belief system, and vaccines by nature are unsure substances that can cause harm or death. From our own gov.:
The United States Government acknowledges that “[a] vaccine can have severe side effects, including death or disabling conditions requiring lifetime medical care.” 1 These reactions can be “devastating” to affected families. 2 Conditions that may be associated with vaccines include neurological injuries (such as encephalopathy, neuropathy, and transverse myelitis), seizures, and a number of auto-immune disorders (such as Guillan Barre Syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, and arthritis).
They forgot to list autism, but add that to the list.
stopautismquackery
May 2, 2008 at 2:21 pm
“All of you drug company lap dogs should consider the effects immunity has on your industry.”
Oh, please. There’s basically no one commenting here except people on the spectrum, parents of people on the spectrum and one lone zeolite salesman.
liquid zeolite
May 2, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Why then defend the drug makers? Why not join in the outrage over their wanton disregards for human life by putting out a dangerous and faulty product as was the case with the cited Merck plant? To me, it’s transparent. There are some who either make money by selling drugs, have drug companies in their stock portfolio’s, or are part of the medical establishment which is owned by the drug companies vs. those who have been harmed by said drug companies and are mad as hell that these scum-bags are allowed to get away with it.
Patrick
May 2, 2008 at 2:38 pm
lol, not to mention, it’s a salesman who wants folks to put an Aluminum based product into their system. Isn’t Aluminum one of the things those antivax folks are worried about being toxic?
Wiki…
Zeolites (Greek, zein, “to boil”; lithos, “a stone”) are hydrated aluminosilicate minerals and have a micro-porous structure.
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Changing the subject are ya? BTW, here is the MSDS on the product I sell: http://jnsranchco.com/MSDS.aspx I don’t see aluminum on the ingredients list.
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 2, 2008 at 4:18 pm
just go back from Charlie’s IEP and noted that he has received the additional 2 vaccines required for 6th graders in New Jersey.
Regan
May 2, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I don’t see aluminum on the ingredients list.
———————
Zeolite,
(K,Ca,Na) 2O-Al2O3-10SiO2-6H20
Potassium-calcium-sodium-aluminosilicate
aka
Clinoptilolite
Al=Aluminum, K=Potassium
Ca=Calcium, Na=Sodium
O=Oxygen, Si=Silicon
H=Hydrogen, as in H20=water
Strong affinity for NH4+, such as in urea.
The Al is in the structure as aluminosilicate, rather than the easily exchangeable ions, but there is Aluminum.
stopautismquackery
May 2, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Mr Zeolite does not have to have the products he sells monitored for quality control by the FDA. One wonders what the FDA would think if they ever reviewed them. Mr Zeolite can sell an ostensibly questionable product to consumers and there’s little the FDA can do about it. The consumer, however, can decide not to purchase products that are not FDA-approved.
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Mike (aka Liquid Zeolite) said:
“I don’t see aluminum on the ingredients list.”
———————
Regan responded with:
“Zeolite,
(K,Ca,Na) 2O-Al2O3-10SiO2-6H20
Potassium-calcium-sodium-aluminosilicate”
That was a nice Friday afternoon laugh. He had no clue that a chemical with the “Al” in the molecule, or “alumin” in its name had aluminum!
On a more serious note: Above, Kristina writes that 14 of the persons with measles have been hospitalized. I have seen hospital bills for my oldest kid who used to end up there for croup. About fifteen years ago the two to three day stays were in the five thousand and above dollar range (insurance paid most of it, though due to not calling our doctor prior to going to the ER on Thanksgiving we ended up with a co-pay of over $500). The bill included things like the medication, the respiratory equipment and monitoring equipment. Much of it manufactured and distributed by pharmaceutical companies.
My question is: What benefits pharmaceutical companies more:
1) giving a child two MMR vaccines (at about $50.00 per dose, or a total of $100.00 .. see CDC price list.. and I don’t dare post a URL… but it is at a CDC website that ends with “cdc-vac-price-list”, I’m using the private sector column for cost per dose)… or
2) going back to the days when everyone got measles with 1 out of 500 to 1000 ending up spending several days in the hospital?
By the way, those calculations have been made (and again I don’t dare post a URL), but some PubMed papers include:
1: BMC Public Health. 2007 Jul 24;7(147):169. Health burden and economic impact of measles-related hospitalizations in Italy in 2002-2003.
1: N Engl J Med. 2006 Aug 3;355(5):447-55.
Implications of a 2005 measles outbreak in Indiana for sustained elimination of measles in the United States.
1: West J Med. 1996 Jul-Aug;165(1-2):20-5.
Pediatric hospital admissions for measles. Lessons from the 1990 epidemic.
The last one has a table of the average cost of hospital stay, it was between $4000 to over $10000 in 1990 dollars. That is only counting monetary costs. Having had a baby and a toddler admitted to the hospital several times prior his third birthday, I can honestly say that the monetary costs pale to the emotional costs.
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 6:53 pm
LOL, Aluminum is one of the things zeolite removes from the body, not adds. You can’t compare an aluminum (heavy metal) molecule to the zeolite nano molecule in the product I sell. The aluminum in the nano zeolite molecule is in the middle of a “tetrahedron” and is bound by tightly held oxygen atoms. It is not able to break out of this shape and enter the system as aluminum. Picture a pyramid composed of oxygen with aluminum at the middle of the pyramid. That’s why they call the aluminum in this type of sturcture ‘non-exchangeable aluminum’. Aluminum and heavy metals are what zeolite removes from the body.
There are several places in the US that sell zeolites. The source I sell is the only one that has been inspected by the FDA and given a MSDS number (copied by many others). It’s also tested for purity. There is a long list of research dealing with animals and nothing dealing with humans unless you want to trust the waiora studies (I don’t myself). That being said, zeolite itself is considered a safe product considered by the FDA as “completely safe.” (It is listed on the GRAS list (generally recognized as safe). So no, we have no worries about the FDA and we have had NO adverse reactions by anyone to our products. (How many drug companies can say that?) I guess that’s because this is product removes heavy metals from the body, raises ph levels, and adds 72 bio-available minerals and vitamins vs. formaldehydes, aluminum, mercury, and other toxins (vaccines) which are shown to cause cancer, brain damage, etc. The US gov. says it best:
The United States Government acknowledges that “[a] vaccine can have severe side effects, including death or disabling conditions requiring lifetime medical care.” 1 These reactions can be “devastating” to affected families. 2 Conditions that may be associated with vaccines include neurological injuries (such as encephalopathy, neuropathy, and transverse myelitis), seizures, and a number of auto-immune disorders (such as Guillan Barre Syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, and arthritis). They forgot to list autism, but add that to the list.
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Mike continues the comedy with “You can’t compare an aluminum (heavy metal) molecule to the zeolite nano molecule in the product I sell. ”
On what planet is aluminum a “heavy metal”?
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Typo, I meant toxic metal, not heavy metal. Zeolites remove toxic metals (some heavy metals, some not) These toxins are absorbed by the nano zeolite and easily eliminated. The powder absorbs toxic metals in the gut, the liquid toxic metals in the blood. The main metals zeolite absorbs and removes are lead, mercury, cadmium, and aluminum.
Aluminum is not something you want in your blood whereas nano zeolite is something that removes aluminum. Here are a few studies on aluminum, one of the main ingredients in all vaccines:
Aluminum neurotoxicity in preterm infants receiving intravenous-feeding solutions.
Bishop N.J. – Morley R. – Day J.P. – Lucas A.
From: N Engl J Med (1997 May 29) 336(22):1557-61
The 90 infants who received the standard feeding solutions had a mean (± SD) Bayley Mental Development Index of 95 ±22, as compared with 98 ±20 for the 92 infants who received the aluminum-depleted solutions (P=0.39). The former were significantly more likely (39 percent, vs. 17 percent of the latter group; P=0.03) to have a Mental Development Index of less than 85, increasing their risk of subsequent educational problems. For all 157 infants without neuromotor impairment, increasing aluminum exposure was associated with a reduction in the Mental Development Index (P=0.03), with an adjusted loss of one point per day of intravenous feeding for infants receiving the standard solutions. In preterm infants, prolonged intravenous feeding with solutions containing aluminum is associated with impaired neurologic development.
Aluminum-containing emboli in infants treated with extracorporeal membrane oxygenation.
Vogler C. – Sotelo-Avila C. – Lagunoff D. – Braun P. – Schreifels J.A. – Weber T.
From: N Engl J Med (1988 Jul 14) 319(2):75-9
We found fibrin thrombi or thromboemboli at autopsy in 22 of 23 infants with respiratory failure who had been treated with venoarterial extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO). In addition, distinctive basophilic aluminum-containing emboli were found in 12 of the infants; the distribution of these emboli was similar to that of the thromboemboli, except that an aluminum-containing embolus was found in a lung in only 1 infant. Sixteen infants had pulmonary thrombi or thromboemboli. We also found friable aluminum-containing concretions adhering loosely to the mixing rods of heat exchangers that had been used to warm the blood flowing through the ECMO circuit; such concretions were not present on unused mixing rods. We propose that these aluminum-containing concretions developed as the silicone coating of the heat exchanger wore away and aluminum metal was exposed to warm, oxygenated blood and that fragments of aluminum-containing concretions formed emboli. This hypothesis is supported by the fact that aluminum-containing emboli were generally not present in the lungs, which are bypassed by ECMO.
Sequential serum aluminum and urine aluminum: creatinine ratio and tissue aluminum loading in infants with fractures/rickets.
Koo W.W. – Krug-Wispe S.K. – Succop P. – Bendon R. – Kaplan L.A.
From: Pediatrics (1992 May) 89(5 Pt 1):877-81
Aluminum toxicity is associated with the development of bone disorders, including fractures, osteopenia, and osteomalacia. Fifty-one infants with a mean (± SEM) birth weight of 1007 ±34 g, gestational age of 28.5 +/-0.3 weeks, and serial radiographic documentation at 3, 6, 9, and 12 months for the presence (n = 16) or absence (n = 35) of fractures and/or rickets were studied at the same intervals to determine the serial changes in serum aluminum concentrations and urine aluminum-creatinine ratios. Autopsy bone samples were used to determine the presence of tissue aluminum. One infant who received aluminum-containing antacid had marked increase in serum aluminum to 83 micrograms/L while urine aluminum-creatinine ratio increased from 0.09 to a peak of 8.53. Vertebrae from three infants at autopsy (full enteral feeding was tolerated for 37 and 41 days in two infants, respectively) showed aluminum deposition in the zone of provisional calcification and along the newly formed trabecula.
Aluminum in parenteral solutions revisited — again.
Klein G.L.
From: Am J Clin Nutr (1995 Mar) 61(3):449-56
It has been a dozen years since aluminum was first shown to contaminate parenteral nutrition solutions and to be a contributing factor in the pathogenesis of metabolic bone disease in parenteral nutrition patients as well as in uremic patients. However, there are no regulations in place to effectively reduce aluminum contamination of various parenterally administered nutrients, drugs, and biologic products. The purpose of this review is fourfold: 1.) to summarize our knowledge of the adverse effects of aluminum on bone formation and mineralization in parenteral nutrition patients; 2.) to discuss the possible role of aluminum in the osteopenic bone disease of preterm infants; 3.) to show how lack of regulations covering aluminum content of parenteral solutions can lead to vulnerability of new groups of patients to aluminum toxicity, the example being given here is that of burn patients
Aluminum-induced anemia.
From: Am J Kidney Dis (1985 Nov) 6(5):348-52
… many questions still remain unanswered, it is clear that aluminum causes a microcytic hypoproliferative anemia and is a factor responsible for worsening anemia in patients with end-stage renal disease.
Arch Dermatol (1984 Oct) 120(10):1318-22
Three patients had subcutaneous nodules at the sites of previous injections of vaccine containing tetanus toxoid, showed aluminum crystals in the nodules from two patients. From the evidence available, we believe that these nodules are a complication of inoculations with aluminum-containing vaccines.
Persistent subcutaneous nodules in patients hyposensitized with aluminum-containing allergen extracts.
Garcia-Patos V. – Pujol R.M. – Alomar A. – Cistero A. – Curell R. – Fernandez-Figueras M.T. – de Moragas J.M.
From: Arch Dermatol (1995 Dec) 131(12):1421-4
These lesions have been mainly attributed to a hypersensitivity reaction to aluminum hydroxide, which is used as an absorbing agent in many vaccines and hyposensitization preparations. Patch tests with standard antigens and aluminum compounds and histopathologic and ultrastructural studies were performed on 10 patients with persistent subcutaneous nodules on the upper part of their arms after injection of aluminum-adsorbed dust and/or pollen extracts. The nodules appeared 1 month to 6.5 years after injections.
Soft tissue sarcoma associated with aluminum oxide ceramic total hip arthroplasty. A case report.
Ryu R.K. – Bovill E.G. Jr – Skinner H.B. – Murray W.R.
From: Clin Orthop (1987 Mar)(216):207-12
Malignant tumors around fracture fixation implants have been reported sporadically for many years. Recently, however, reports of sarcomatous degeneration around a standard cemented hip arthroplasty and around cobalt-chromium-bearing hip arthroplasties raise new questions of the malignant potential of metallic ends prostheses. Sarcomatous changes around aluminum oxide ceramics seem not to have been reported in the literature. The present report may be the first documented case of an aggressive soft tissue sarcoma detected 15 months after the patient had an uncemented ceramic total hip arthroplasty. If a causal relationship exists, the incidence of this phenomenon in the United States is 250 times greater than would be expected from statistics on soft tissue sarcoma at the hip.
Delayed healing in full-thickness wounds treated with aluminum chloride solution. A histologic study with evaporimetry correlation.
Sawchuk W.S. – Friedman K.J. – Manning T. – Pinnell S.R.
From: J Am Acad Dermatol (1986 Nov) 15(5 Pt 1):982-9
Wounds were treated either with 30% aluminum chloride solution or ferric subsulfate solution or were allowed to clot with minimal pressure from a gauze pad. Delay in reepithelialization was noted histologically both in wounds treated with aluminum chloride and in those treated with ferric subsulfate compared to controls. Presumably this delay was the result of tissue necrosis caused by these hemostatic agents, resulting in slightly larger and less cosmetically acceptable scars. Plots of evaporimetry data revealed a biphasic pattern of water loss during healing, with an initial rapid decline in water loss followed by a much slower decline.
Aluminum and gallium arrest formation of cerebrospinal fluid by the mechanism of OH- depletion.
Vogh B.P. – Godman D.R. – Maren T.H.
From: J Pharmacol Exp Ther (1985 Jun) 233(3):715-21
AlCl3 or GaCl3 was added to artificial cerebrospinal fluid and perfused through the cerebral ventricles of the rat. Depending on the metal and its concentration (1-10 mM) the pH of the perfusate ranged from 7.2 to 3.5. At 10 mM metal chloride, yielding pH 4.7 (Al) or 3.5 (Ga), formation of cerebrospinal fluid was suppressed 100%. This mechanism may also account for the antiperspirant action of Al salts.
he role of aluminium for adverse reactions and immunogenicity of diphtheria-tetanus booster vaccine.
Mark A. – Granstrom M.
From: Acta Paediatr (1994 Feb) 83(2):159-63
235 schoolchildren aged 10 years received either a regular, aluminium-adsorbed diphtheria-tetanus vaccine or the same vaccine in fluid form, in order to investigate if local side effects could be diminished by exclusion of aluminium. System reactions were rare and local reactions frequent in both groups but larger local reactions were even more pronounced in the non-adsorbed vaccine group.
Behavioural effects of gestational exposure to aluminium.
Rankin J. – Sedowofia K. – Clayton R. – Manning A.
From: Ann Ist Super Sanita (1993) 29(1):147-52
The involvement of aluminium in the aetiology of a number of human pathological diseases has altered its status from being a nontoxic, nonabsorbable, harmless element. This maybe of particular concern to the developing foetus which is more susceptible to agents and at lower levels than the adult. Little attention has been given to aluminium’s potential reproductive toxicity until recently and further research is required for a full evaluation of its toxicity. Our preliminary results demonstrate behavioural and neurochemical alterations in the offspring of mice exposed to aluminium during gestation. Further, the effects of such exposure are also present in the adult animal suggesting persistent changes in behaviour following prenatal exposure.
H Differentiated neuroblastoma cells are more susceptible to aluminium toxicity than developing cells.
E. Meiri
From: Arch Toxicol (1989) 63(3):231-7
Two specific questions were addressed: 1.) Can differentiated cells maintain their normal excitable function when exposed to aluminium? 2.) Can proper development of electrophysiological properties be achieved in its presence? We report that aluminium caused premature onset of deterioration in fully differentiated cells. Within 4-6 days they depolarized from -29.3 ±0.9 mV to levels lower than -15 mV; compound polyphasic action potentials were gradually replaced by slow monophasic spikes before the final loss of excitable properties and structural deformations was noticed.
Aluminum, a neurotoxin which affects diverse metabolic reactions.
Joshi J.G.
From: Biofactors (1990 Jul) 2(3):163-9
Experimental evidence is summarized to support the hypothesis that chronic exposure to low levels of aluminum may lead to neurological disorders.
Distribution of aluminum in different brain regions and body organs of rat.
Vasishta R.K. – Gill K.D.
From: Biol Trace Elem Res (1996 May) 52(2):181-92
In the present study, an attempt has been made to investigate the distribution of aluminum in different regions of brain and body organs of male albino rats, following subacute and acute aluminum exposure. Aluminum was observed to accumulate in all regions of the brain with maximum accumulation in the hippocampus. Aluminum was also seen to compartmentalize in almost all the tissues of the body to varying extents, and the highest accumulation was in the spleen.
Aluminum, mercury, fluoride ….. keep pumping this garbage into your kids if you want, I’ll pass.
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Sorry, Mike, if you want to be taken seriously, please tell us where you got those US government quotes (that you took out of context, without noting that those risks are minuscule when compared to the very real disease). Especially since this posting is about measles. The MMR vaccine does not have thimerosal, and much less aluminum than your zeolite… and has been in use in the USA since 1971.
If you have some real information showing us that the MMR is more dangerous than measles, please present it. Not the silly press release you tried on Autism-News-Beat.
The only reason you come here with your lack of understanding of basic science is to try to sell your stuff to folks who think their kids are “poisoned”. You are nothing but a clueless spammer.
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 8:05 pm
I can quote anything you want and don’t take anything out of context. Do you mean this quote by the US gov:
The United States Government acknowledges that “[a] vaccine can have severe side effects, including death or disabling conditions requiring lifetime medical care.” 1 These reactions can be “devastating” to affected families. 2 Conditions that may be associated with vaccines include neurological injuries (such as encephalopathy, neuropathy, and transverse myelitis), seizures, and a number of auto-immune disorders (such as Guillan Barre Syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, and arthritis).
Do you want me to show you where I got this info or the research?
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 8:10 pm
United States, General Accounting Office Report, Dec. 22, 1999 p.1.
MJ
May 2, 2008 at 8:19 pm
“Vaccines are designed to protect CHILDREN from “childhood” diseases”
I didn’t know that children can get shingles:
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/news/20060526/fda-approves-shingles-vaccine
“and it doesn’t matter much that the immunity wanes over time as long as the target age group receives protection.”
So then why is this even story at all when ~65% of the people infected are either too young to have the shots or old enough that the immunity may have waned?
Or is the real story that somewhere out there someone may or may not have have their shots yet can still be infected but that 1/64 number makes for too tempting of a headline to point out how evil those anti-vaxers are?
Joseph
May 2, 2008 at 8:20 pm
So how much alumininum is in Zeolite? From the formula it doesn’t look like it would be a nano-weight, like Mike claims. If I were to ingest 1 gram of Zeolite, how much aluminum would I be getting? Simple question. More than is contained in one vaccine?
Either way, it’s the first time I hear a thimerosal-causes-autism person put forth the notion that low doses of a “toxin” might be harmless.
stopautismquackery
May 2, 2008 at 8:22 pm
“Aluminum, mercury, fluoride ….. keep pumping this garbage into your kids if you want, I’ll pass.”
We’re not doing that Mr Zeolite. Nor do we want to pump them full of your egregious junk science and obvious neurobigotry.
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Joseph,
The answer is that 1g of nano zeolite powder contains no aluminum period. The alumuminum atom that is contained in the zeolite molecule is bound by oxygen and can’t become freeborn, period. Show me any research that suggests otherwise and I’ll get out of the business.
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Vaccines contain aluminum, mercury levels that are high enough with multiple shots to cause brain damage in numerous studies, and fluoride which is added to drinking water at 1PPM and studies show that 1PPM of fluoride causes a lowering of IQ, brain damage, and cancer.
Detox or die my friend, detox or die!
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Mike the spammer said “United States, General Accounting Office Report, Dec. 22, 1999 p.1.”
OOOh, talk about timely!
No one has ever disputed that vaccines can and do cause injury. Though they are usually rare. But, you seem to have all (ha ha) answers… you tell me how much more dangerous the MMR is compared to measles. Give us the paper indexed at PubMed that the MMR causes more problems than measles (a disease that permanently injures or kills about 1 to 2 out of 1000 who get it).
By the way, to help you along… In the CDC Pink Book, the measles chapter has a whole section on adverse effects from the MMR:
cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf
Just go, read and come back and tell us how much more horrible the MMR is compared to measles.
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Joseph,
What do you think about last weeks FDA warning letter to Merck that found so many violations it can shut them down? Violations that produced harmful even potentially deadly lots of vaccines that were distributed around the world. Do you think it’s time to short Merck down to $27?
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6756c.htm
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 8:47 pm
HCN,
My guess is that the MMR vaccine causes brain damage in tens of thousands of kids a year and kills hundreds (SIDS, etc). BTW, I don’t mind if you give your kids vaccinations if you want to live with the potential consequences, go right ahead. I don’t want to force you to take or not take vaccines. I just want to save a few lives here and there by convincing a few wise parents here and there not to vaccinate, that’s all.
Terri Lewis
May 2, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Yes, disease can kill.
Vaccines also kill and they cause mental and physical illness for many that can last a lifetime.
There is absolutely no tiny shred of just human compassion or even decency on this board for those who have been injured by vaccines.
Who could possibly be opposed to administering vaccines more safely? Or making those vaccines safer by removing unnecessary, toxic ingredients?
Who could possibly be opposed to studying more carefully just how many Hannah Polings there are out there?
Who could possibly *mock* decent, careful parents who promptly and fully vaccinated their child, only to have that child suffer or die from the vaccinations, and then be told, “We don’t know what caused it, but it couldn’t have been the vaccinations?”
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
And how dare you mock parents who use medical interventions for their children that are helpful to those children?
Those parents are deluded, you say, they’re just imagining that their children get better?
Yeah, I am on “the other side.”
But we don’t have that much to say about you.
Some of the things you say about us are just absolutely hateful.
Terri Lewis
stopautismquackery
May 2, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I bet Mike the Huckster doesn’t even have any kids. It’s all part of his story in attempt to push product.
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Mike the spammer said “Vaccines contain aluminum, mercury levels that are high enough with multiple shots to cause brain damage in numerous studies, ”
preceded by “The answer is that 1g of nano zeolite powder contains no aluminum period. The alumuminum atom that is contained in the zeolite molecule is bound by oxygen and can’t become freeborn, period. ”
Um… so the aluminum atom bound in the zeolite is bound and can’t leave…. But the one mercury atom in thimerosal causes mercury poisoning!
Love your lack of logic!
Oh, and a quick look on PubMed for zeolite:
Biol Trace Elem Res. 2008 Feb;121(2):134-48. Epub 2007 Oct 23.
Tissue response to a supplement high in aluminum and silicon.
“The objective was to determine the effects of sodium zeolite A (SZA) on mineral metabolism and tissue mineral composition in calves. …. The accumulation of tissue aluminum and therefore potential adverse consequences may preclude any benefits of using SZA as a dietary supplement.”
Oopsy, it looks like Mike the Spammer is selling something that can cause accumulation of tissue aluminum!
(actually, the stuff is useful in bleeding and other medical uses, but it is not a miracle cure, and can cause other problems:
Prehosp Emerg Care. 2007 Jan-Mar;11(1):67-71.
A case series describing thermal injury resulting from zeolite use for hemorrhage control in combat operations. … “Four cases are presented to illustrate cutaneous burns sustained with the use of zeolite in the treatment of major hemorrhage secondary to combat wounds. Zeolite, a microporous crystalline aluminosilicate granular hemostatic agent, can cause secondary thermal injuries through an exothermic reaction that is likely related to the absorption of free fluid at the hemorrhage site. Understanding of this process may help both military and civilian EMS personnel avoid or minimize secondary thermal injury while still benefiting from zeolite’s hemostatic capabilities.”
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Give me a call right now at 702-992-0211 and I’ll let you talk to my 2 or 4 yr olds. E-mail me though my company e-mail and I’ll let you talk to Sam’s doctor (my best friends kid who has ASD) who got me into this business. You can even confirm from Sam’s doctor that the detox-digestion aids and immune building products I give him have helped him make amazing strides in only a few short months after his vaccine induced seizure and subsequent ADS diagnosis. All of my statement can easily be proven. BTW, I’m leaving the office in a 20 minutes so if you don’t take me up on my offer now, call me Monday morning or leave a message on my recorder. Mike talks, BS walks.
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 2, 2008 at 9:22 pm
thanks but I think we’re ok with what we have here!
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Mike the Spammer said “My guess is that the MMR vaccine causes brain damage in tens of thousands of kids a year and kills hundreds (SIDS, etc). ”
I did not ask for your guess or your opinion! I asked for real documented evidence! Show me the papers that are indexed on PubMed.
SIDS is Sudden INFANT Death Syndrome… it is defined as an unexplained death of a child between birth and one year old.
The MMR is not given until a child is over a year old.
So how in the world can MMR cause SIDS in kids who are under a year old?
H6
May 2, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Mike,
You mention “immune building products.” Is there any agreement about what immunological problems are associated with autism?
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Terri Lewis said “Who could possibly be opposed to administering vaccines more safely? Or making those vaccines safer by removing unnecessary, toxic ingredients?”
Before you make something safer you must find out if it injures and how. You can’t say that the MMR is dangerous without evidence as to what horrible things it does. Presently, from the CDC Pink Book chapter on measles, the adverse reactions to MMR include:
Fever: 5% - 15%
Rash: 5%
Joint Symptoms: 25% of adult women given MMR
Thrombocytopenia: less than 1/30,000 doses
Parotitis: rare
Deafness: rare
Encephalopathy: less than 1/1,000,000 doses
These are known and real risks. What additional risks do you have documentation for? How do they compare to the very real risks of an actual measles infection (if you have child who has not had the MMR it looks like herd immunity in this country has eroded enough to make a measles infection a very real possibility). How would you change the MMR to make it better? An example would to find a way to not use eggs in its production. The measles chapter in the Pink Book does have a long list of people who should NOT get the MMR for other reasons, which present other valid reasons to make it better.
But the question is to you: What problems with the MMR do you know, with evidence, make it more risky than measles that should be addressed?
By the way, I only mock those who troll the autism blogs to sell their stuff, or who divert the comments to their own issues, or who call aluminum a “heavy metal” (sorry, as a former aerospace engineer, that just tickles my funny bone!)… I promise to not mock anyone who posts real actual documented evidence.
stopautismquackery
May 2, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Yes, Mike now you know what it feels like to have assumptions made about you and your loved ones. You say “Detox or Die” — well we’re all gonna die one day, so carpe diem, baby. I have been a vegan since age 12. I am healthier than most. I have no idea why you are going on and on about flouride. The water into my house has always been filtered and our drinking water is delivered and this is very common where I live. Pls quit thinking you have a monopoly on everyone’s health and well-being. I don’t need to detox, as I have remained relatively healthy thru my lifestyle, as have the other members of my family.
daedalus2u
May 2, 2008 at 10:47 pm
From the zeolite MSDS, AI2O3 10.6%
The zeolite has 10.6% Al2O3. That is 10.6% aluminum oxide. Aluminum oxide is more than 50% aluminum. Mike’s zeolites is 5.6% aluminum. In 1 gram of his zeolite there is 56 mg of aluminum.
What is used in vaccines is either aluminum hydroxide or aluminum phosphate. The reason it is used is because it results in a more robust development of antibodies while using less antigen. The antigen is the active part of the vaccine, and is the part that is difficult to manufacture. Using an adjuvant like aluminum hydroxide allows less antigen to be used while still producing a good immune response.
The FDA limits vaccines to 0.85 mg aluminum per dose. Mike’s zeolites has 56 mg aluminum in 1 gram. That is 66 times more aluminum than the maximum dose the FDA allows in a vaccine.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0264-410X(02)00166-4
Mike
May 2, 2008 at 10:51 pm
LOL, you trust and believe the governments data? Do you also believe that smoking doesn’t cause cancer and isn’t addictive? Why not! The scientists and doctors working for the tobacco companies said so and have the studies to back it up! But that’s a conflict of interest you say, so you take those studies with a grain (or pound) of salt? Well that’s mighty wise of you, after all, when a conflict of interest exists, it’s impossible for a rational thinking person to believe much of anything produced from said conflict of interest.
So then, Mr engineer, why do you accept anything the CDC or FDA says as fact when they are in fact paid and bought for by the very drug companies that fund them and stand to profit (or lose money via litigation) from said studies? Remember the original CDC info that suggested that kids who got “shots” developed Autism 11 times more (1100% more) than kids who didn’t get shots. Then, in subsequent reports, the numbers were manipulated and then 25% of the original data was “lost or accidentally destroyed” to produce the final government story that there was “no significant difference” in autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated kids.” If you believe that, then I question your ability to think deductively and objectively, with all due respect. Conflict of interest + 25% lost or destroyed data = (you fill in the blank).
stopautismquackery
May 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Ah, then I suppose we should now disregard what Mike says the FDA says in regarding this:
“The source I sell is the only one that has been inspected by the FDA and given a MSDS number (copied by many others). It’s also tested for purity”
Since Mike’s now claiming this:
“… the CDC or FDA […] are in fact paid and bought for by the very drug companies that fund them and stand to profit (or lose money via litigation) from said studies.”
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Mr. Engineer?
Does that refer to me? I’m a mom who had to quit work to take care of a baby who had seizures, who ended up with some other disabilities. That is why I am a FORMER aerospace engineer.
I will take you calling me “Mr. Engineer” as a societal standard that all aerospace engineers have a Y-chromosome. Which is about as accurate as your understanding of science. (does this mean you will now refuse to fly because several airplane systems from flight controls, landing systems, wing design and everything else may have included the input of women engineers from Southern California, Australia, Georgia, France, Alabama, Washington, Italy, England and Japan?)
I asked you how MMR caused SIDS. SIDS is defined as an unexplained death prior to a child’s first birthday. The MMR is not given (at least in the USA and Europe) until a child is over a year old.
How can a child die from MMR induced SIDS under those conditions?
I am not just accepting anything from CDC or FDA unless it is documented. The CDC Pink Book does have a list of references. I would post more references if this blog would not put me automatically into moderation (which it does anyway, sigh). Actually, I have posted references from PubMed… where are yours?
You say “Remember the original CDC info that suggested that kids who got “shots” developed Autism 11 times more (1100% more) than kids who didn’t get shots. ”
Ummm, where is that documented?
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Okay, I had absolutely no links in my last posting. It is not my habit to use profanity, and I am not trying to sell anything.
Yet, every single time I post to this blog my comment must wait for moderation.
I really, really hope that Mike the Liquid Zeolite spammer gets the same treatment.
HCN
May 2, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Okay, the last post just proved me wrong.
Until the previous post get approved (which had no URL links!)… I will just ask Mike the Spammer one question: Where is the documentation for your claims?
Matt
May 3, 2008 at 1:17 am
The guy has been selling this stuff, and he dosen’t even know it contains aluminum? Then he tries to spin it that the aluminum is bound in the structure.
He appears to me to be just practicing his arguments to make them more convincing for his real customers.
Matt
Mike the Spammer
May 3, 2008 at 1:18 am
daedalus2u,
You don’t know what you’re talking about. The MSDS is for zeolite, not liquid zeolite or nano zeolite. The zeolite you’re talking about is used in kitty liter and air purifiers to absorb odors, ammonia, etc. It’s a rock. The nano particles that are made for liquid zeolite are bound by oxygen molecules and the aluminum atoms (-2 to 1 nm particles) are part of the nano zeolite molecule and cannot become the toxin metal aluminum that is found in vaccines, you know the one, the one that causes folks who get a flu shot at least 5 times to develop Alzhimers 10 times more often (1000% more) than smart folks that tell the drug companies to shove their flue shot where the sun don’t shine.
HCN, let me know what you want me to delineate and I will. The 25% “lost or destroyed data” is easily found on google. The famous “11 times more autism” sometimes cited as 27 times more autism …… I have a page on my website talking about this data and a PR that was put-out and never retracted from the National Autism Assn:
http://liquidzeoliteplus.com/CDC_datalink_27-times_more_likely_to_develop_autism_after_exposure_thimerosal_vaccines.html
Have to run. Study, learn, react accordingly. (Don’t let your kids get shots!)
Kassiane
May 3, 2008 at 4:23 am
Mike the Spammer:
How much kidney testing is required on zeolite? How much water (ml/kg is acceptable) is necessary to prevent kidney damage?
Of course, if it’s just placebo there won’t be any documentation on this, because if there is no mechanism of action there aren’t as likely to be side effects. But ANYTHING strong enough to have an effect is also strong enough for side effects.
And we all know that mercury poisoning isn’t autism anyway. Tinfoil poisoning, however, causes True Believers in the theory *smiles*
Regan
May 3, 2008 at 4:56 am
Mike,
Zeolite is zeolite. If it doesn’t have the basic structure anymore than it is some other mineral. The chemical structure that I gave is what defines it, with the Ca, Na and K indicating the potential cation-exchange ions.
Zeolite is reasonably inert, as is other clay-derived minerals, such as kaolinite, bentonite or montmorillonite.
Under certain conditions it can be decomposed to silicates with free release of Al+3, but I am not sure that those are physiologic ones, however, the Al+3 can be released under conditions of incubation with certain lanthanides, such as Gallium–the basis for some proposed scanning procedures.
As far as the commercial product, if it is prepackaged with many minerals and vitamins, I would have some suspicion that those would interact sooner with the zeolite than anything in anyone’s body, both by concentration and proximity.
As for the selective binding, the relative cation-exchange capacity is relatively low (≈2.25 meq/g), with a selectivity of is Cs > Rb > K > NH4 > Ba > Sr > Na > Ca > Fe > Al > Mg > Li. So it can exchange and attach Al+3, but that is relatively low on the list.
As for entering the blood stream, I’m not sure that I would want aluminosilicate particles circulating in my blood, since they are structurally stable. I suspect the mechanism is by ion-change via the gut.
Regan
May 3, 2008 at 4:57 am
Apologies for the grammatical errors. Time for bed.
Jennifer
May 3, 2008 at 8:02 am
Mike wrote:
“The nano particles that are made for liquid zeolite are bound by oxygen molecules and the aluminum atoms (-2 to 1 nm particles) are part of the nano zeolite molecule and cannot become the toxin metal aluminum that is found in vaccines,”
This is just laughable. The aluminum in zeolite has non-zero solubility. (I’m not going to post a link, but just google “Clinoptilolite solubility” and choose the first hit. The form Al is dissolved is Al(OH)4-, which is the same form in vaccines. But the main point is that by using a very finely divided powder (”nano particles” - love the use of faux scientific terms), the kinetics of the dissolution are going to be increased, so that MORE soluble Al will be released into the stomach than if you tried to swallow a rock made of the same material.
daedalus2u
May 3, 2008 at 9:24 am
Dr Novella over at Neurologica just had a good post about the kind of discourse that Mike is engaging in.
http ://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=286
It isn’t exactly lying because it is clear that Mike doesn’t know enough about chemistry or physiology to know what is correct and so say something he knows is false (lying is representing something you know to be false as true).
(I put a space after the http in the link to try and make it go through, it didn’t the first time)
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 3, 2008 at 10:31 am
This thread is completely demonstrating how far away from “autism” talk about vaccines can lead us!
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 3, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Over at Age of Autism is a very puzzling post in which Dan Olmsted blames the CDC for “triggering” the measles outbreak. Excerpts:
He also uses a quotation from Dr. Jon Poling in some interesting ways: Poling calls for reform of the current vaccine schedule” in noting that “every day, more parents and some pediatricians reject the current vaccine schedule” (because of the number of vaccines given at once). Olmsted then quotes Poling and, via selective quotation (which I’m obviously engaging in here), makes it sound that that CDC and other government agencies are to blame if diseases like measles increase:
I think Olmsted is trying to argue that (1) the CDC needs to reform the vaccine schedule; (2) because of the current vaccine schedule, parents are not vaccinating their children; (3) therefore the CDC is triggering an increase in infectious diseases.
HCN
May 3, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Dan Olmsted is prone to flights of fancy. He obviously has no idea how infectious the measles actually is… and neither is he taking responsibility own body of work that blaims vaccines for autism. Even though they had no credible evidence other than some random interviews. They were more fiction than journalism. And yet, folks who decide not vaccine quote from his “Age of Autism” stuff all the time.
Does he have a problem with taking responsibility for the effect of his own writing?
Kristina Chew, PhD
May 3, 2008 at 1:03 pm
One suspects!
Do'C
May 3, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Daedalus2 wrote:
“It isn’t exactly lying because it is clear that Mike doesn’t know enough about chemistry or physiology to know what is correct and so say something he knows is false (lying is representing something you know to be false as true).”
Mike the scientifically illiterate MLM-like spammer wrote:
“The powder absorbs toxic metals in the gut, the liquid toxic metals in the blood.”
Methinks Daedalus is probably quite correct.
A. Zeolite doesn’t become liquid until it reaches 1800 degrees farenheit (see that MSDS you linked to Mike). I would suggest that ingesting something at 1800 degrees farenheit is not a good idea.
B. Clinoptilolite is a powder, suspended in water, it is not a liquid.
C. The particles are probably of a size way too large (at least a few microns or larger) for significant (if any) intestinal absorption - the chances of absorbing anything in the bloodstream (because it can’t get there in the first place) are nil.
D. Even if the particles could arrive at the bloodstream (very, very unlikely), the chances that their affinity for things like ammonia haven’t hindered the ability to absorb other things are low.
E. Even if in some alternate universe, suspended powdered clinoptilolite could get into the bloodstream, it could not traverse the blood brain barrier to remove anything that could be having a neurological impact.
F. Even if in some alternate universe, suspended powdered clinoptilolite could get into the bloodstream, traverse the blood brain barrier to remove something, there is no evidence whatsoever that it has a chelation constant stronger than existing bonds in brain tissue.
G. Even if in some alternate universe, suspended powdered clinoptilolite could get into the bloodstream, traverse the blood brain barrier to remove something, had a chelation constant that would actually remove heavy metals, there is no evidence that removal of those heavy metals would reverse any damage.
H. This is an autism blog, and autism is not synonymous with heavy metal poisoning in the first place.
That, “I don’t see aluminum on the ingredients list.” was hilarious Mike the scientifically illiterate MLM-like spammer. Thanks for the laugh.
daedalus2u
May 3, 2008 at 1:24 pm
What Olmsted wrote is complete nonsense, or rather it is what Dr Novella would call bullshit (sorry Kristina for using that word in your blog).
Because the CDC hasn’t developed perfect vaccines that never cause any injury to any child under any circumstance then all injuries that could be prevented by the less than perfect vaccines such as they are now are the fault of the CDC because parents foolishly reject the good but imperfect vaccines?
This is complete BS. The CDC is at fault because parents believe Olmsted’s lies over the CDC’s facts and logic? The CDC is at fault because it can’t magically make reality conform to the fantasy that Olmsted has constructed in his mind and tried to convey to parents?
Why do parents think of MMR as “the autism shot”? Only because ignorant journalists such as Olmsted and Kirby have said it is. I can’t say they have “lied” because they are so ignorant that they are unable to know if what they are saying is true or not. But being ignorant doesn’t excuse you from acting recklessly (which they have).
It is just like shouting “fire” in a theater. If you know there is a fire, it is a useful warning. If you don’t know a fire it is reckless endangerment. Olmsted wants to blame the fire department because people are injured in the stampede resulting from him shouting “fire”? No, the fault is not with the fire department, it is with the reckless terrorists who have recklessly shouted out false warnings and by doing so have caused much harm.
Mike
May 3, 2008 at 4:26 pm
LOL, all of you liquid zeolite bashers don’t have a clue, do you. You don’t understand the science behind this and are quoting info on the rock form not the nano form of zeolite because you are ignorant of this new technology. I also find it interesting that nobody cared to comment on my link to the warning letter Merck got last week. I did get a call from someone saying he respresented Merck who asked my if I had an agenda and why I was posting this info all over the Internet. (over 100 posts on different blogs and websites thus far, no sign of slowing down) My only agenda is to let make sure 300 M people know the truth about vaccines and that they’re not only dangerous and unstable, but make by folks who obviously can care less about quality controls or purity of product. Why don’t any of you comment on this FDA warning letter? That’s all I want to talk about for the next week or so until 60 minutes or another national news agency blows the lid off this story. Read’m and weep big pharma …read’m and weep!
What do you think about last weeks FDA warning letter to Merck that found so many violations it can shut them down? Violations that produced harmful even potentially deadly lots of vaccines that were distributed around the world. Do you think it’s time to short Merck down to $27?
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6756c.htm
HCN
May 3, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Daedalus2u said “Why do parents think of MMR as “the autism shot”? Only because ignorant journalists such as Olmsted and Kirby have said it is. ”
That is very bizarre. It has been in use in the USA and elsewhere since 1971. But then again, those are the same people who claim it is the “thimerosal in the MMR!”.
Of course, there has never been thimerosal in the MMR.
I also have the feeling that Dan Olmsted thinks he is going to be blamed for the rise of measles, so he is trying to weasel out of any responsibility. Sucks for him that lots of the families who don’t vaccinate often cite his “Age of Autism” series.
I am still waiting for an answer to this question:
How can the MMR cause SIDS when SIDS is defined as an unexplainable death of a child under the age of one year, and the MMR is not given to a child (in USA, Canada and Europe) under the age of one?
If Mike the Spammer has any real documented evidence that the MMR is more dangerous than measles, please present it.
(Speaking of warning letters, you might be interested in this one:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6412c.htm )
Do'C
May 3, 2008 at 7:07 pm
“LOL, all of you liquid zeolite bashers don’t have a clue, do you. You don’t understand the science behind this and are quoting info on the rock form not the nano form of zeolite because you are ignorant of this new technology.”
All zeolites (including clinoptilolite) are minerals, or “rock form” you scientifically illiterate boob.
Would you care to ’splain the “new technology” to us in more scientific detail? I’m sure there are plenty of scientists who just can’t wait to hear about this new discovery. Feel free to refer to you MSDS sheet.
Mercky Vaccine Makers
May 4, 2008 at 2:06 am
What do you think about last weeks FDA warning letter to Merck that found so many violations it can shut them down? Violations that produced harmful even potentially deadly lots of vaccines that were distributed around the world. Do you think it’s time to short Merck down to $27?
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6756c.htm
liquid zeolite
May 4, 2008 at 2:30 am
I’m not worried about the FDA because I don’t claim any of the products I sell cure anything or can be used to treat any disease. I don’t even need a disclaimer since I know what I can and can’t say. If the LLC that owns the website ever get’s a complaint, it will act accordingly however. I own nothing btw. (just control everything, lol)
If the FDA were worried about zeolite sellers, they’d go after the largest zeolite seller in thw world (their website gets 10 times more traffic than waiora, the mlm brand) This outfit from canada has a good scam going. The website selling the product doesn’t make any claims. The website selling the “cancer cure” claims to be a “independent website not affiliated with any merchant”. Both IP’s are form canada and the fact they’re connected is quite transparent. These people are scamming old folks out of millions of bucks and the fda isn’t doing a thing. I tell people all the time not to take any heavy metal detox product while on chemo (for obvious reasons, chemo is full of heavy metals) while they say that if you have cancer, you need to take their liquid zeolite product. They claim the liquid zeolite activates the P21 gene to cure cancer, among other things. I called them and asked them for the research to back their cancer curing claims and they hung up on me. Here’s their website if you think I’m making this up: http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/zeolite.html
So….if the FDA were going after zeolite sellers, I’d think this outfit would be #1 on their list. They went after that zeo company because they’re trying to portray themselves as a pharma company which put them on the hit list.
FWIW, even though I sell liquid zeolite, I prefer HMD for heavy metal detox over zeolite products. (I like zeolite for it’s ph raising quality and the minerals and mild detox …doesn’t strip the body of minerals like other products) HMD has been clinically (dbl blind) tested and proven to reomove mercury from the body. We can all agree mercury is not something we want in our systems due to the brain damaging effectmos. Notice I didn’t say it causes autism because the truth is that a number of toxins and environmental factors (fluoride, mercury, artificial flavors, maybe even ELF radiation) most likely cause autism in MOST CASES. However, Mercury and fluoride are neurotoxins that nobody with good sense should want in their system or the system of their children. And I sell a clinically tested and proven product that removes mercury along with other products that boost the immune system (8 mushroom formula) and a 17 strain live probiotic product that aids in digestion and elimination (think gut-autism link) Do I say these cure anything? Of course not. I say that studies suggest this or that, that cancer is caused by this or that, that flooding the body with oxygen does this or that to cancer, all true, all facts.
In parting, I just want to say …how about that Merck plant violations (see FDA warning letter above), what an outrage, don’t you think?
LOL, sorry to cause you pharma types such consternation. You deserve it for putting out such health destroying products! Karma baby, karma.
Do'C
May 4, 2008 at 1:30 pm
“HMD has been clinically (dbl blind) tested and proven to reomove mercury from the body.”
No it hasn’t. The mercury removal (although not the double-blind testing) has only been sort of claimed by the Naturopath who happens to be the “worldwide patent-pending holder” for HMD. He doesn’t actually make the claim that it has been proven to remove mercury from the body, but rather states,
“There appears to be a 448 per cent increase in eliminated mercury in the post-test after 24 hour provocation with HMD in the 56 people tested, compared to the baseline sample.”
Which, without describing the methodology in any scientific detail or providing the mercury data, tells us nothing!
The paragraph about mercury makes no mention of “double blind” anything. The methodology is not described in any scientific detail in this short mercury paragraph, rendering this advertisement-like “paper” useless.
“However, Mercury and fluoride are neurotoxins that nobody with good sense should want in their system or the system of their children.”
Oxygen is a potent cytotoxin. Do you think that nobody with good sense should want it in their system or the system of their children?
Please go take a basic science class.
HCN
May 4, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Just a reminder: The MMR has never ever contained thimerosal. The stuff about mercury is actually off topic.
Still waiting for Mike the Spammer to explain how the MMR causes SIDS, since SIDS is defined as an unexplained death of a child UNDER the age of one, and the MMR is not given to children under the age of one.
Plus, he needs to provide some actual evidence that the MMR is worse than measles.
Do’C said “Please go take a basic science class.”
I agree. Taking a look at Mike the Spammer’s website shows many laughible claims, from chemtrails to zappers.
Emily
May 4, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Here’s a reminder, too: No matter where you’re looking here, follow the money. I can’t even think of a high-profile person involved on either “side” of this manufactured controversy who doesn’t have money coming to them via some conduit: book, “Thoughtful” homes, counter-vaccines, legal representation,DAN, biomed peddling, lawsuits, zeolite-blah-blah, self-promoting appearances on Larry King for otherwise washed-up former Playboy centerfolds, etc.
And after you’ve followed the money, settle into some rational thought and some good cost-benefit analyses. And learn some damned science, while you’re at it. That question about “shingles” beats just about everything I’ve seen. My great-grandmother developed shingles in 1991 at age 90, and I’m pretty sure she never received a chicken pox vaccine. There’s no relevance whatsoever to bringing up shingles in this context, although I see that done repeatedly as a way to support an argument that completely misses the mark.
My point about vaccines’ usefulness in childhood was focused on their protective effects at an otherwise very vulnerable time. Basic reading comprehension, a recognition of the appropriate use of ” ” around “childhood,” and an understanding of the pertussis example should have made that reasonably clear.
Chuck
May 4, 2008 at 9:44 pm
So it is scientifically correct to say that the reduction in exposure to Varicella zoster virus due to the chicken pox vaccine will not weaken any naturally obtained immunity and increase the likelihood of developing to more complicated Shingles later on in life?
HCN
May 4, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Chuck, the varicella vaccine has nothing to do with measles.
HCN
May 5, 2008 at 2:54 am
(and to add, you cannot get shingles unless you have had chicken pox… if you get vaccinated for chicken pox and do not get it, you cannot get shingles — that is the theory, except the varicella vaccine has only available in the USA for 13 years — all of my kids are eligible to get shingles because they actually had chicken pox… and so am I, though there is a modified form o