I Don’t Feel That I Suffer
Thanks very much to everyone for watching the Good Morning America piece on Controversial New Movement: Autistic and Proud—-Activists Say Stop Looking For a Cure and Accept People As They Are, and for everyone who’s commented here—a lot to think about, and then all the commentary on the ABC news story. Some more commentary ’round the blogosphere is at Crimson Thoughts (more on neurodiversity); Stop. Think. Autism on being autistic and proud; Estée Klar-Wolfond on Diane Sawyer’s comment about acceptance as a “beautiful way of justifying heartbreak”; Patricia E. Bauer also on Sawyer’s closing comment; and a few more blogs here, including one by a fellow autism parent in New Brunswick (Canada).
I was fortunate to be asked to be interviewed and got to hear all of Ari Ne’eman’s interview, too. I especially appreciated the respect the crew showed for Charlie’s privacy; while it was not as hot last Monday as it was this week, more than a few of us felt like jumping in that pool with Charlie.
I was very glad that the footage of Charlie in the pool—-his natural element—-was included. He loves to jump in with a big splash and he can swim a powerful stroke. In some of the segment, you can see Charlie with his hands over his ears and his head down: On seeing this, Jim and I realized that, to an outside observer, Charlie might look like the stereotypical autistic child, shut out and withdrawn from the world into himself—-”kidnapped,” if you will, “by autism.”
Throw in a bit of a “neurodiverse” perspective and, as I understand Charlie from having spent most every moment and minute of the past 11 years beside him (plus those 9 months when he was in utero……), Charlie had his hands over his ears for a kind of filtering effect, to screen out all the sounds and sensations around him, from new human voices to the soft splashing of the water to the smell of the air around the pool. He was trying, indeed, to hear better, and figure out what in the world was going on, with me dressed in a nice skirt instead of a swimsuit and a strange man following him around with a camera. Charlie knew very well that something was up, but (as he often does) he aired his responses in his idiosyncratic way, hands over the ears and head down. At the last moment, he climbed up on the diving block, stood still and looked around, and jumped, and swam.
Seeing him swim has always more than raised my spirits. Charlie has plenty of struggles on land, in the classroom, at his desk. I found it jarring to see a shot of Charlie in the pool on Good Morning America while the words “severe autism” were said. When people ask what Charlie’s diagnosis is, I just say “autism”—that is what was written on the report we got back in July 1999 from the Child Development Center at the Minneapolis Children’s Hospital and that has never changed through many more evaluations and IEPs and social service and other forms. Without the years of education, I suspect that Charlie would be “severe,” would possibly not be able to talk, might be in a residential placement.
We had a chance to celebrate Charlie’s educational achievements Tuesday: It was the “moving up day” ceremony for the fifth graders at his school. They had a dance with a DJ and some raucous macarena-ing and chicken dancing planned; the other parents in Charlie’s room and his teacher, and I, agreed that this might not be the best way for our kids to celebrate their accomplishments. Our class mom planned for a little ceremony.
I came early as it was Charlie’s last cello lesson. The music teacher’s room was not air-conditioned and we carried a music stand and the cello back to Charlie’s classroom. With his classmates bouncing on an exercise ball, reaching for the cello strings, and running back and forth as the mothers set up the party, Charlie plucked and bowed and the teacher and I talked about how to teach him to start pressing his left index finger on the strings to play more notes.
Charlie had woken up late (that is, I had woken up late on Tuesday). He had less than 15 minutes to get out of bed, get dressed, get his backpack, meet the bus. We used to half-carry, tug and pull him out of bed but the time for this is passing. Tuesday morning, when I called Charlie to get up and reminded him about the party, he had opened his eyes, pulled himself up, stomped out to get his shoes on, and clomped down the stairs just as the bus was pulling up. “Cake, party,” he had said as he got on the bus and he repeated those words as I put away the cello and Charlie dutifully donned his paper graduation cap.
Charlie’s teachers told me that he had been asking for the party all day and been told he had to wait till “2 o’clock.” It took a bit longer for achievement certificates to be handed out and photos to be taken: Charlie sat quietly beside another student, kept his hat on, and said “no” to bowls of pretzels and cheese puffs. Finally it was time to cut the cake…….let’s just say that a lot of frosting got eaten and I discovered that, like my late Uncle Quonson who Charlie is the spitting image of when he smiles, Charlie likes the corner piece because it has the most frosting.
The gifts for each teacher, therapist, and instructor (aide/paraprofessional) were photo albums with photos of each boy and messages. And Charlie’s teacher had made each boy an album of photos from the year: Halloween, making vegetable soup, Charlie getting piggy-backs from two really tall instructors, reading, computer, playground, Charlie’s birthday, a cello lesson, the five boys in front of their school.
At one point on Good Morning America I said “I don’t feel that I suffer” and I don’t. I’m not suffering because I have an autistic son: My son is starting middle school, but he will be in one classroom with one teacher and several instructors and won’t be learning to navigate the hallways to get to science before the bell rings.
I have my worries: This was the year that Charlie grew taller than me and I won’t ever again be able to scoop him up in my arms and carry him away from the hostile glare of a stranger and to safety in the form of the blue Graco carseat that he loved so much and used to carry into the house and sit in, right by the door. I’m not suffering though I know there are days, times, and moments, when Charlie struggles deeply to express himself and just to be. I’m not suffering because I’m the mother of an autistic son.
More than anything else, there’s so much to be happy in and even to celebrate, love, and gently accept.
Charlie made it to middle school.
Charlie is talking more than ever—as this weekend’s you know you have the answer attests.
Charlie’s doing good and, thanks to him, I am trying to do so, too.
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58 opinions for I Don’t Feel That I Suffer
sharon
Jun 11, 2008 at 7:16 am
Very nice. I know when I tell people that my sons have autism, the look of pity on their face and they say “That must be so hard.” It’s not hard, it’s different. Every parent has some problems with their kids. I see kids in stores begging, whining for everything they see, mine just look. But then I have to worry that my kids will wander away and leave the store.
farmwifetwo
Jun 11, 2008 at 7:26 am
Found the heartbreak moment… you had to say it… Had to say he’s gotten bigger than you..
Shhhhhhh!!!!!! I don’t want to think about it. Eldest has never been a snuggler even as a day old infant… but his bro is.. he’s my snuggler, loves hugs, kisses and tickles… oh yeah… kids with severe Pdd don’t like to be touched… wrong!!!
I don’t want him to get big… yet he’s as tall as his 2yr older brother.
Sulking….
It’s not Autism that upsets me…. it’s my baby deciding hugs and kisses are “gross” :)
Going back to thinking little boy time will last forever… or atleast pretend it will….
S.
Club 166
Jun 11, 2008 at 9:25 am
One of my favorite parts of the interview was when you corrected the interviewer to say that you don’t suffer.
Too often all of those stereotypes are just automatically thrown out there, and let to stand.
Joe
Angela
Jun 11, 2008 at 9:52 am
You did a great interview… it was so nice to have you and Ari say all of the things that many of us feel.
Congrats to Charlie for going to middle school!!!
Jen
Jun 11, 2008 at 9:52 am
Charlie, I agree with you, the corner pieces of the cake are the best.
Karen
Jun 11, 2008 at 10:50 am
Congratulations to you and Charlie!!!
When I tell people that Pete is on the spectrum, sometimes the response is, “I’m sorry.” I tell them do not feel sorry for us. Our life is wonderful and happy. Life is good.
Thank you once again for being a role model to me. I’m so grateful for what I’ve learned from you and your commenters; when I saw the article yesterday about GMA I forwarded it to some friends and family and wrote, “these are my people!” I am a better person/mom thanks to the Hub.
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jun 11, 2008 at 11:35 am
wow, thanks! corner pieces for everyone!
(Charlie’s teacher half-seriously offered us the rest of the cake to take home…….I had to decline)
Cliff
Jun 11, 2008 at 11:40 am
I was very glad you said that, actually. I think helped a lot, especially since it stood in pretty good counterpoint to whatever “pity” Diane Sawyer was trying to insert into it.
Cliff
kyra
Jun 11, 2008 at 11:49 am
i think you did a fantastic job in that interview. i loved when you corrected the interviewer.
it’s disheartening to see the way the issue of diversity is handled in the media. it’s as if the concept of accepting and seeking to include and understand us all is perplexing and novel, something ‘fringe’ rather than a given, which is what it ought to be.
mom-nos
Jun 11, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Middle school. Wow. When I “met” you and Charlie, I thought that Charlie was such a big kid compared to Bud. But now Bud is about the age that Charlie was then. Which means that before I know it, Bud will be making the move to middle school……….. Yikes.
I *loved* seeing you both on GMA and I loved what you had to say. I’ve experienced a lot as a parent so far - a lot of joy, a lot of challenge, a lot of victory, a lot of exhaustion - but I can say without question that I’ve never suffered.
Leila
Jun 11, 2008 at 12:27 pm
I think that suffering is a legitimate feeling in regards to having a child diagnosed with any disorder. But it can’t last forever because you adapt to the situation and learn to live and adjust your expectations. If the suffering is lasting too long, maybe it’s because other things in this parent’s life are not fulfilling and fun enough. Maybe he/she’s stuck in an unhappy marriage, awful job, doesn’t have enough friends etc. This person should find a way to get out there and try new things to seek happiness in her life.
Patrick
Jun 11, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Sorry didn’t see GMA, but did read some of the later write ups. Congratulations on bringing more awareness to the more positive side of being.
ange
Jun 11, 2008 at 12:34 pm
*smile*
Emily
Jun 11, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Middle school scares me to death, not because of my children’s situation but because…it’s middle school. Wish we could just drop out for those three years and resurface in high school.
Have I suffered? Only as any mother would…worrying about kids who tease or how he’s doing in school or whether or not he’s eating enough dinner. You know? Regular parent-type suffering. I simply can’t think of a time where I just lapsed into some kind of “heartbreak” and then talked myself out of it via “acceptance.” I accepted my son before he was born, however he would be. And I *knew* him and knew what he was like, before I ever even heard of Aspergers, before I became aware enough of autism. From the moment of his birth, I thought of him as being “wound up like a top,” considered him “high strung” and “complicated.” We had gotten to the point that I was pretty much the only person who could figure him out, know what he needed. That never broke my heart, although it made it difficult to get out for some alone time.
Having a name put to it was no heartbreak for me, either; it changed absolutely nothing about my child for someone to label his problems. He was still the same child, before or after. The diagnosis was an opportunity to shift into gear and get our son therapies that might ease his path a little. He’s not cured. He’s not recovered. He’s still autistic, still flaps, hums, meows, squawks, stims, perseverates, has the entire laundry list of right-brain deficits, etc. But there was no heartbreak preceding his diagnosis, and he has yet to break my heart to this day. It probably will happen when he transforms into that incomprehensible species we know as “teenager.”
Kate
Jun 11, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Thanks for addressing the “suffering” question (btw, that is the name of my blogspot - notsuffering - but don’t go there as I never post since all the fine peeps of the autism hub say stuff so much better than I ;). Maybe I am playing with semantics here but I prefer to use the word struggle. It has an - I don’t know - healthier, less dire (?) connotation.
On another note - congrats to Charlie for matriculating to middle school! Onwards and upwards (and from a serious buttercream frosting freak - he has the proper approach to eating cake - I concur wholeheartedly)!
K
tsquared
Jun 11, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I’ll add my kudos to how well you did in the interview. I’ll also add my disappointment with how they conducted certain parts of the segment. Diane Sawyer needs to get out more.
It’s clear that the dominant narrative about autism is that it’s the end of the world for both child and parents and that we should all be pitied. Forget that. My time with my son is pure joy to me. If we’re getting the support we need and some encouragement, we’ll be OK.
It was very hard at first, and we still work hard to help him learn and grow and it’s exhausting sometimes to keep up with it all, but I certainly don’t need anyone’s pity and I don’t think my son does either. While I want to be realistic about his challenges, I don’t want him to settle for less than his best or accept anyone’s criticism and prejudices as a given. He’s unique and wonderful and full of all that’s good in this world, and I’m so proud of him. Period. I’ll have words with anyone who challenges that.
I admit I didn’t know much about Ari before this, but after the interview I was filled with respect for him. It took me a day or so to figure out what all I was feeling, and then it hit me a few minutes ago. So many create this mythical, ‘cured’ figure as the end goal for our kids. Ari is presenting a whole new face to this and becoming a role model to our children.
It’s impossible for me to fathom what my son will be like in a few weeks let alone a few years or many years from now. People like Ari are showing us all the possibilities while they are fighting back against stereotypes and prejudices. They are knocking down this end-of-the-world narrative and giving parents like me a very hope-filled perspective, regardless of what comes next for our individual children.
There’s still a lot of educating to do, but I think we’re pretty used to that, though. It just comes with the territory.
VAB
Jun 11, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Thanks for doing the interview. I don’t know how you and Ari kept such a polite tone in your voices, but it is very helpful that you did. Real progress is being made, and I really appreciate you work in that.
Regan
Jun 11, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I’ll bet it’s a little wistful having Charlie graduate from elementary school, but warm wishes to him (and you) for middle school. Yes, he did it. Congratulations.
You and Jim have a little corner piece yourself. :-)
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jun 11, 2008 at 6:05 pm
If I may say so—-I think I’ll take a glass of red wine (maybe after tomorrow—1 more day to go).
Charlie’s actually on young side to head to middle school as he’s 11—all the kids in his class are older (most are 12 to 12 1/2). I’m glad he is staying with the same group, regardless of this—-they really are a group and he gets along with all of them.
Thanks and thanks and hope it’s only the first of more stories (others to follow with more insight).
Melody
Jun 11, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I remember my elementary school graduation. Unfortunately I had my pants zipper down that day and didn’t notice until later. Everyone got a sort of personal award, and for me it was the Future Author Award.
I didn’t participate in my junior high graduation ceremony (for many reasons, both because only two years, hot weather outdoors, and the fact that I’d had some very negative experiences with school personnel and peers that year).
I graduated high school just under a week ago, and went to grad night.
Congrats on your son’s accomplishments, and on the GMA interview!
Marla
Jun 11, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Charlie is taller than you! Wow! M is almost as tall as me too but not quite. They grow so fast!
Karen
Jun 11, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I finally found the time to watch my tivo’ed GMA — all I can say is Wow! You and Ari were both so balanced and eloquent. Wish I could high-five you both.
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jun 11, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Thank you!
And he really is the tallest in his class—his teacher took a couple of group photos of all the boys in his class and Charlie is clearly taller than everyone. He had a big growth spurt this year I think—-he just seems much bigger than when he started the year in September!
About carrying: I did this till Charlie was 7; I still have a muscle in my left arm thanks to all of that! I was determined to carry him as long as I could. My mom remembered that, when my sister and I were little, she was chided for carrying us too much because “she was spoiling us.” So she didn’t, we got bigger, and she realized it was too late—-she waived the “rule” for Charlie, that’s for sure.
Matt
Jun 12, 2008 at 12:33 am
Kristina,
thanks. Just thanks.
Tell Charlie that a bunch of people he has never met (and will probably never meet) think he is really cool.
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jun 12, 2008 at 12:58 am
I will!
thank you, too—
jenni
Jun 12, 2008 at 2:09 am
I truly admire you. There are not enough parents out there who have the opinion of autism that you do. As an autistic and a parent of autistic children, I find it refreshing to find that there are people out there who are able to look at autism with something other than pity or sorrow.
Thank you for your comments on GMA. You are truly a boon to the neurodiversity movement.
Cliff
Jun 12, 2008 at 3:29 am
“I remember my elementary school graduation. Unfortunately I had my pants zipper down that day and didn’t notice until later. Everyone got a sort of personal award, and for me it was the Future Author Award.
I didn’t participate in my junior high graduation ceremony (for many reasons, both because only two years, hot weather outdoors, and the fact that I’d had some very negative experiences with school personnel and peers that year).
I graduated high school just under a week ago, and went to grad night.”
Similar experience here, actually. I remember my elementary school graduation, but only barely, and enough to know that I didn’t like it. I think I was totally out of my league at that time, and such an event probably had me stressed for a full day later.
I skipped middle school graduation. They were going to do this thing with a lot of weird ceremony and symbolism, and a lot of reflection on a year I certainly didn’t want to consider. Instead, I had breakfast with my mother and sister, which was really nice.
Just I didn’t go to my high school graduation either. That’s actually for pretty obvious reasons, though; I dropped out of high school after two years and went to college. As of writing, said graduation hasn’t taken place, and during that time I’ll be receiving my A.A (I hope!). I don’t think I would have gone to my high school graduation, though, without an extraneous reason.
Cliff
Storkdok
Jun 12, 2008 at 6:56 am
Kristina, my favorite part of your interview (I loved Ari’s, but am commenting specifically on your part) was when you said “I don’t feel that I suffer”. I am so glad you said it! To me, that statement perfectly captures our lives, and I love the way you said it!
Congratulations to Charlie on his move to middle school! I’m sure it will bring it’s own challenges, middle school usually does!
I’m curious since you heard Ari’s interview, too. Do you think your interview and Ari’s interview were representative of what you said, because I know there was more footage they shot. Did they leave out anything either of you said that you feel was important?
I didn’t care for Diane’s parting shot about this being a way to deal with the heartbreak. She obviously didn’t do her homework and investigate how many of us feel.
RAJ
Jun 12, 2008 at 8:06 am
Kristina;
I certainly understand your opinion but I do have a question for all the parents and autistic people who have embraced neurodiversity, are you also against research that would lead to prevention?
Estee
Jun 12, 2008 at 8:25 am
I thought you did great. Thanks for doing that interview, Kristina.
Tara
Jun 12, 2008 at 5:50 pm
“I certainly understand your opinion but I do have a question for all the parents and autistic people who have embraced neurodiversity, are you also against research that would lead to prevention?”
Well, define “prevention”. Would it be prenatal genetic test followed by “therapeutic abortion”? In that case, yes, I am very much against it.
Would it be something that would “turn off” ASD related gene expression? That would be rather dark gray area for me - would you be producing “less autistic” individuals but at the same time also turn off all the possible positive traits associated with those same genes?
Joseph
Jun 12, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I’m personally against genetic prevention. I’m not against any type of research, although I do think that some types of research could be given more priority than others. Research funding is not unlimited.
Genetic research and genetic prevention are obviously not the same thing.
I’m not necessarily against prevention per se, depending on the cause. For example, would I be against prevention of maternal rubella syndrome? Of course not. Neither am I against prevention of PKU through diet.
Cliff
Jun 12, 2008 at 6:44 pm
“I’m personally against genetic prevention. I’m not against any type of research, although I do think that some types of research could be given more priority than others. Research funding is not unlimited.
Genetic research and genetic prevention are obviously not the same thing.
I’m not necessarily against prevention per se, depending on the cause. For example, would I be against prevention of maternal rubella syndrome? Of course not. Neither am I against prevention of PKU through diet.”
Ditto. If anything has been more carefully spelled out in history, the prevention of populations (note: with a characteristic that itself is definitional to the existence in a substantiative way; a mode of thought obviously counts) that have no intent to harm anyone is a thorny matter that is always more wrapped up in the cause-effect relationship of social prejudice than not. It’s not a road that should be taken.
“Would it be something that would “turn off” ASD related gene expression? That would be rather dark gray area for me - would you be producing “less autistic” individuals but at the same time also turn off all the possible positive traits associated with those same genes?”
Usually, I find that this set-up is construed unrealistically (though I’m not speaking for RAJ); by denying the aspects of ASD which are positive are actually related to ASD, it essentially says “prevent all of the negative characteristics”. This makes the question a close cousin of the “If you could be genetically altered so you were perfect, would you be?” question, which, as I think people might understand, is an extremely thorny one for a whole slew of reasons. Either way, I’ll say no, because it’s promoting a harmful variety of homogeneity based on a societal standard.
Cliff
Joseph
Jun 12, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Also, there are characteristics of humans which are considered negative, say, depression. But why does depression exist then? I think every person experiences depression at one time or another. It must actually be adaptive in some way that is non-obvious. If preventing depression altogether were possible, clearly a follow-up concern would be whether that’s a good idea.
Tara
Jun 12, 2008 at 7:46 pm
@ Cliff, Joseph,
I think we essentially agree - I also find that most of “negative” and “positive” aspects of autism are not objective categories but heavily influenced by social norms. I like the comparison with preventing depression - if it were possible and if it seems like a good idea simply because depression is “unpleasant” that’s still not good enough to just go ahead and do it.
When I wrote that potential gene expression therapy is dark gray area for me, I pretty much meant that this is something that I think requires enormous amount of pondering about all aspects of it. The first option (i.e. genetic testing plus abortion), on the other hand, is not dark gray, it is pitch black in my book and something I tend not to think twice about.
Cliff
Jun 12, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Indeed, I think we do agree, by far and in large on this. And I like the comparison to depression, though I think it is actually far more obvious why people might want to keep autism around.
Cliff
mayfly
Jun 13, 2008 at 2:05 am
I don’t know how many parents of autistic children feel they, the parents, are suffering.
People adapt and try to provide as best they can for their autistic children. Some of these adaptations people without autistic children consider suffering.
It’s a human trait. You cannot tell me, that you haven’t thought, “I’m sure glad I’m not going through that!” when the “that” when looked at objectively is much less demanding than raising an autistic child.
Bear in mind for some raising the child is harder. I’m not talking her about how disabling the condition, but the lack of support. Far too many men, walk away from homes with a special needs child. There are those without family close by. There are those who have not found a support organization There are those who have not found God. There are those whose spouse has left, have no family close by, have not found a support organization, and have not found God. The majority of these people will tell you they are not suffering. However, if they don’t get help the will be overwhelmed.
One must not take this, “I’m not suffering” to the point of I don’t need help.
It is more difficult raising a child who is more disabled than one is less affected. However it is harder to raise a trivially affected child without support, than one with seriously disabled with support.
I mentioned God, because my wife and I acquiring faith changed our home. Our daughter has an unexpected ability to detect tension between her parents and that often lead to breakdowns. Following the bible has erased much of that tension. It’s been huge in changing our daughters behavior. Like all married couples we still have have disagreements, but the tension which used to accompany them is gone. I give credit to God for this.
I know DAN doctors who have told parents of autistic children that they must administer such and such a treatment or the child will end up institutionalized. I don’t know of any who say, if the treatment is not done, the parents will undergo suffering.
Perhaps those who say they are suffering are simply worried over their children’s future.
Cliff
Jun 13, 2008 at 2:12 am
“Perhaps those who say they are suffering are simply worried over their children’s future.”
As if those who say otherwise don’t?
Cliff
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jun 13, 2008 at 3:12 am
@mayfly, you wrote “Our daughter has an unexpected ability to detect tension between her parents and that often lead to breakdowns”—very much so with Charlie, who is completely attuned to emotional stress.
I know I’d worry over any child’s future, regardless of diagnosis—-I worry over the future of my college students when I see their grades and they can’t articulate what it is they wish to do with their lives.
I would say, I don’t suffer because of Charlie, specifically. There’s too much love and joy from him, and in life with him. I’m not suffering from being Charlie’s mother, which is not to say I don’t have my own painful and difficult moments….because of my own shortcomings, not because of Charlie’s.
@RAJ, I’m not against any sort of research that is valid and credible; the more questions that can be raised, the better. But I’m not so sure if autism can be prevented.
mayfly
Jun 13, 2008 at 8:26 am
@Cliff I stated earlier i the post that people suffer for different reasons. I went on to say that I didn’t think I suffered.
Do yo think that perhaps some people may be so distraught over their children’s futures that they may indeed be suffering?
Especially those with without a support network.
I don’t worry over my daughter’s future daily basis. For me, worry to that extent is demobilizing. I know without the support of my spouse, friends, and my faith, I would be overwhelmed by trying to raise a daughter who needs so much more than hugs and acceptance. Perhaps I’m just weak.
One of the nicest things about having a support network is that one buoys other members of the network. If a person is always distraught they are like dementors and can suck the “soul” out of the support group.
Sometimes I raise my wife’s spirits, sometimes she raises mine. Sometimes we help others, sometimes they help us. We feel we are in a great placed and truly blessed.
It is not inconceivable to me that people without such things may be overwhelmed, distraught, and yes suffering. A conditions which for them is substantially rooted in their children’s autism.
@Kristina
RAJ
Jun 13, 2008 at 9:30 am
Kristina wrote :
@RAJ, I’m not against any sort of research that is valid and credible; the more questions that can be raised, the better. But I’m not so sure if autism can be prevented.
Your observation is factually incorrect. The only preventions in place have all come from well designed peer reviewed research into the environmental component of autism. It is a success story that continues to go unrecognized.
Rubella autism was identified in the last great rubella pandemic of 1964. The development of an effective rubella vaccine has resulted in prevention of rubella autism and other neurological and physical impairments caused by prenatal infection with the rubella virus.
Thalidomide embryopathy has also been found to be associated with autism in a subgroup. The removal from the marketplace of thalidomide therapy to treat morning sickness has eliminated this cause.
PKU is a metabolic disorder that left untreated has been associated with mental retardation and autism. Newborn screening for PKU in the developed world and immediate placement on a phenylalinine free diet has resulted in prevention.
Autism has also been discovered to be associated with fetal anticonvulsant syndrome and Valproate Acid Syndrome. These medications are still in use but there is important research still underway to identify the treatments that would be as just effective with lower risks for autism and other neurological disorders.
Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders (FASD) is also a risk for autism in a subgroup and is the most preventable cause of autism. Wide scale education on the risk for massive exposure to alcohol in pregnancy will hopefully reduce the incidence of autism associated with the children born to frankly alcoholic mothers.
mayfly
Jun 13, 2008 at 1:06 pm
@Kristina, I worry about the starving children of the world. I worry about being losing their homes. I worry when I read about an autistic child who has wandered away from home, and I cringe If that child is hurt or killed. However, if my daughter wandered off, my worrying about her safety would far exceed those other worries.
mayfly
Jun 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm
@Joseph
Not everything has a purpose. All male lions with normally formed tails and a spur hidden on the tuft. That spur serves no purpose.
We can virtually cure depression in many through pharmacology.
The virtual cure is not available for autism.
There is another huge difference. Unchecked depression very often leads to suicide. So if members of a depressed community start a movement saying we don’t need help, it’s not a given that listening to their demands is the loving thing to do.
Cliff
Jun 13, 2008 at 1:35 pm
@Mayfly-I think you’re highly misconstruing my point yet again. I am hardly taking away from your difficulties as a parent. I also don’t think that they’re incompatible with acceptance at all. But I also think you’re doing a slippery act of “us-them” dichotomy by painting the acceptance crowd as a “let it be” crowd, because there is a lot of room in between the two.
@RAJ As a genuine question, given the timing of said research and the social factors related, has there been nay distinction here between “autism” itself and “autism-like symptoms” a la Hannah Poling? Looking at the work of Chess and others, I’m inclined to think that distinction might be warranted, as a different psychological condition that presents like autism, as noted in a few other disorders. It’s also slippery when the coexistence of a mentally retarded and an autism diagnosis comes to be, for that could mean a number of likely things. So I’m actually not convinced yet by such “causes”, as per the construction which I could note as highly prejudicial at foundation.
Cliff
mayfly
Jun 13, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Whoops! all male lions have! a spur hidden in the tuft
Regan
Jun 13, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Perhaps we should be more worried about fostering support systems and more things for the now and present. Perhaps that would reduce some of that day-to-day anxiety and stress.
RAJ did bring up some reasons that biomedical research could give some pointers to preventable causes.
I think the point is not to put all the eggs in one basket or to have wild pendulum swings. There is a substantial investment in looking at biologic and neurologic research which is more focussed on why and what if. The investment in what to do now was somewhere in the neighborhood of 1%.
Emily
Jun 13, 2008 at 2:54 pm
mayfly, I’m so glad you corrected that. It had me stumped.
Regan, excellent point. I’m becoming your biggest fan.
Regan
Jun 13, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Emily–thank you. Same to you :-).
mayfly
Jun 13, 2008 at 4:45 pm
@Cliff. Au contraire, I don’t think the acceptance crowd or at least parents who are members via their autistic children are for doing nothing. I think they don’t want to admit that many of the things they do are directed at curing or at least palliating aspects of autism, but they cannot admit it.
There is also often an expressed snobbery by some members of the crowd. It is not snobbery to say you don’t suffer, it is to look down on others who do.
Emily
Jun 13, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Mayfly, I saw your list on the other comment thread of things people wish for their children. I wish many of those things for all of my children, neurotypical (whatever that is) or autistic, and I don’t consider it reaching for a “cure” to try to help them achieve the things you list, such as having friends, etc. If I had a child who was not autistic or ADHD but who had trouble making friends, I would not consider it a “cure” to try to help that child gain some social skills. What am I “curing”? Everyone has to learn social skills; some people just have a harder time with it than others. It’s part of behavior management that we must learn from birth.
A parent’s job, NT or not: trying to ensure that their children have tools that make them functional on their terms. I realize that with many of the most distressing manifestations of autism, this effort is Herculean, and I speak only for myself here.
I don’t want to “cure” every single behavior related to autism, or in my son’s case, any behavior related to his autism. I don’t want to “cure” TH of the things that make him him, and those things include echolalia, flapping, all manner of odd noises at inopportune times, an unusual and beautiful mind, a loving, humorous, quirky personality, and a unique perspective on the world. I wouldn’t trade these away just so he can socialize with more people or socialize better or to stop unknowing strangers from staring. With self-injurious behaviors–and he’s had some ideation that way from the age of three–I’d want to get him the help he needs for that. But that ideation is just one of a large suite of behaviors related to his autism, and it’s the only one that has ever caused me real stress or concern. Yes, I’d want to do something about that, just as I’d help a child who had any one of the myriad concerning problems that alleged NT children have. That doesn’t mean I’d want them to have a complete brain transplant.
I don’t want a “cure”–were one even legitimately possible–to kidnap my son, to take away the child I’ve known for more than seven years, a happy boy who’s getting the tools he needs–just as any child of mine would–to be as functional as we can help him be.
And the thing is, I probably won’t have to worry about whether or not he has friends or whether people understand him because these “neurodiversity” types are letting the world know that there’s nothing inherently wrong with echolalia or a loud voice or flapping your hands or flicking your fingers or not quite getting each and every social cue. There’s nothing wrong with rocking or stimming–even Bill Gates rocks. We already see the fruits of this recognition where we live, in this school district, because there are so many families like us. People here have an understanding and awareness of autism that precludes any necessity on our part to try to make our children into cookie-cutter products. Which is not possible anyway because NOBODY is NORMAL. We all need to be “cured” of something related to our behaviors. That doesn’t mean we need to replace who we are entirely with something that meets every false standard of “normal.”
Cliff
Jun 13, 2008 at 6:20 pm
“@Cliff. Au contraire, I don’t think the acceptance crowd or at least parents who are members via their autistic children are for doing nothing. I think they don’t want to admit that many of the things they do are directed at curing or at least palliating aspects of autism, but they cannot admit it.”
Ok, fine, but you need to watch the implications of some of the statements, like “Perhaps those who say they are suffering are simply worried over their children’s future.”, because anyone can see that as a backhanded slap. I again mentioned that I think you’re missing the subtleties of autism if your prior list has any indication, because it’s confusing the symptoms and the condition (via the DSM, which really doesn’t define the condition. It describes a surface view of something else, at best). It’s analogous to saying “I want to cure not being intellectual because my endeavors as such make me not athletic” in principle (one can lead to the other, but not inherently so, and for this argument to hold it relies on a stereotype of the condition to make its point, and in the process confuses one larger condition with a subcondition).
“There is also often an expressed snobbery by some members of the crowd. It is not snobbery to say you don’t suffer, it is to look down on others who do.”
I don’t think people look down on those who simply are saying they are suffering. I do think there may be the typical “snobbery” comes in regards to those who have simplistic views of the condition, and who are prejudicial without reason. But I very much think about those who are having a very seriously difficult time with a child who has a different set of needs in a very serious way, and would absolutely do anything to provide for that (and have, at times). Others do, too. I think there is an aspect of the neurodiversity movement that sees that a lot of the stress of raising an autistic child isn’t only in the child but in the surrounding setting, and that the conception of the individuals plays into that heavily. Again, I think you’re confusing just what the neurodiversity movement is really saying about autism, about the nature of the condition versus its subconditions, and with what it is up against inherently.
Cliff
a long-time poster
Jun 13, 2008 at 6:28 pm
@mayfly:
“I think they don’t want to admit that many of the things they do are directed at curing [or at least palliating aspects of] autism, but they cannot admit it.”
mayfly: Could you please list the precise things you’re talking about (cf. “things they do”); and since you really began your critique with CURE please stick to that, thanks.
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