Savage Language, To What End I Do Not Know
It seems no wonder that right wing talker Michael Savage’s last name is, well, “Savage” after reading what he said about autism on his radio show. I’ll list the words he uses to refer to autism:
moron, putz, idiot, fool, dummy, a girl, losers, beaten men
More of Savage’s savagery is quoted on Left Brain/Right Brain.
If Savage’s intent was to shock, using such words about autistic children is a no-brainer way to do it and perhaps ratings will spike as rightfully indignant autistic self-advocates and parents of autistic children respond. What troubles me in particular is Savage’s contention that autistic children are just brats behaving badly, and brats parented by laissez-faire “let it be” types of parents, especially in the wake of more than a few stories of autistic children who have been removed from a church, a kindergarten classroom, an airplane, and a restaurant. In each case, the children’s behavior was cited as “dangerous” to “public safety” and just downright “unacceptable.”
Funny but behavior like Savage’s–his unacceptable pronouncements about autism—gets air-time. Perhaps we have found the actual parasite……
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41 opinions for Savage Language, To What End I Do Not Know
Patience
Jul 18, 2008 at 4:48 am
It may be the feminist in me, but I found “a girl” to be the most offensive on that list. Being a girl is, first of all, not a disorder, developmental or otherwise. We all start out in life, physically, as girls. It does not inhibit, and it is only horrible people like Michael Savage who think that it SHOULD inhibit. Equating autism with half of the people on earth is nonsensical, especially given Simon Baron-Cohen’s ideas (right or wrong) about autism being “extreme male brain.” The other words are hateful, and get me angry, but to say that autistics are girls is just…argh! There’s nothing wrong with being autistic OR a girl, and to equate the two as a pair of horrible conditions we should pity the afflicted for makes me sick!
Regan
Jul 18, 2008 at 7:09 am
Parasites gotta feed on something to survive.
Does this show have advertisers/sponsors on the local affiliates? Voicing your opinion to them has been onesuggested approach.
I kind of blew it off earlier, because any rational and reasonable person would just find these rants crazy and repugnant, but I looked at the rankings and this show has ratings far above what I expected with hundreds of affiliates and millions of listeners–that’s kind of creepy. Also the more that I thought about it, the feeling was that this had crossed the line from shock-jock shenanigans into straight hate speech against those with autism and developmental disabilities, and an invitation to abuse through bullying and demeaning children. Most of the internet responses are of repulsion, but there are enough that agree and approve of Mr. Savage’s opinion that it is disturbing.
This is not the first time that autism has been a subject of derision by Michael Savage. I do not know if there was any kind of concerted response at that time, or if such was considered and judged to run the risk of drawing attention to the program and its host. If an organized response is to occur in response to the July 16 program, I think that the ASA, Autism Speaks and even those groups and individuals that normally don’t see eye to eye might want to come together for this one.
Rebecca
Jul 18, 2008 at 9:21 am
He makes all right wingers look bad. He definitely does not speak for me or my family, or the many others we know.
Morgan
Jul 18, 2008 at 9:25 am
This is the sort of thing you can expect given the current state of “awareness.” The major “advocacy” organizations spend millions talking about ‘train wrecks.’ The rest of us spend all of our time arguing about vaccines. Meanwhile, quack doctors and ABA companies thrive while exploiting our emotions and the lack of any real science. It’s no surprise that an ignorant talk radio personality should be so misinformed.
(Bit of a rant, sorry.)
Marla
Jul 18, 2008 at 9:52 am
Sigh. Not good at all. Ten steps back.
Synesthesia
Jul 18, 2008 at 10:19 am
Good heavens! There aren’t enough cuss words in the English language! I don’t think I can think of anything nearly biting and aciditic enough about that guy! I can’t believe how IGNORANT he is. That’s the sort of thing people thought in the past about anyone with some sort of difference.
Someone with Torretts has a dirty mouth and is acting up and needs to be hit.
if they have ADHD, they really need a beating
Autism, same thing. IT’S JUST SO!!! STUPID! GAH!
Another Voice
Jul 18, 2008 at 11:14 am
I have not listened to him, but right now Mr. Savage is getting exactly what he wants; attention. That leads to ratings which spawn advertising revenue.
If he is really upsetting you, publish a list of products that are being advertized on his show, then encourage everyone you can reach to write the board members of those companies. Let them know that their products are on your never buy list and why. You may reach a level where someone cares about what is said on their sponsored programs.
Eleanor
Jul 18, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I agree that shock jocks like this guy are actually benefitting from our outrage. The more we pass this story around, the more publicity he gets.
The only way it can backfire on him is if he gets so many people outraged that he get kicked of the air, which is pretty hard to do–witness the Don Imus thing with about the most disgustingly racist, sexist comment ever made–and his popularity is on the rise again, it would appear.
Synesthesia
Jul 18, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Kind of reminds me of some article some guy wrote about adopting from China which I didn’t read because it sounded like the same sort of stupid offal people say about an issue that is not only rather painful in bits, but too serious for that sort of prejudice adopting international babies is a new fashion statement a TREND attitude. He sounded like he didn’t know what was talking about based on the quotes from the article I read, so I don’t want to give someone like that any sort of attention.
Bonnie
Jul 18, 2008 at 12:39 pm
What’s sad is there are probably people out there listening to this idiot pumping their fist going “Yeah!”
Why is it that he can say such things but Imus gets fired for saying “nappy headed ho”? I find both equally offensive. I think some sort of campaign should be started against this guy, if it hasn’t already!
Synesthesia
Jul 18, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Ugh.
So I just read that article… No wonder that guy says stuff like that. He seemed to have been verbally abused by his dad!
And what is so bad about being a girl? Girls are awesome.
also, does autism HAVE to be a tradegy? If society was more understanding and helpful, would it be?
That is a question I ask often…
Man, I almost feel sorry for the guy if his dad talked to him like that all the time.
Eleanor
Jul 18, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Bonnie: Regarding the difference between this situation and the Dom Imus situation, I’m reminded of something that a very wise old lawyer (who has taught discrimination law for about 25 years) told me recently: You always want to take a race discrimination case to a jurybut you never want to take a disability discrimination case to a jury. Juries understand racism and, at least for the most part unless they are consciously racist, don’t blame the victims. However, most people, even though they would never consciously discriminate against people with disabilities, have the basic impression that there is something “wrong” with a person with a disability, and “wrong” equates easily with “blameworthy.”
Regan
Jul 18, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I wrote something longer, but it’s in moderation.
It’s a hard call on whether public outcry and discussion gives this guy the attention he craves, and now the story is going viral, but the short version of my longer comment is that one thing that has impacted the show and removed sponsors who are in collusion by keeping the show on the air is to find out who is sponsoring the show nationally and locally, write them and express your dissatisfaction to them. Sponsors have dropped the show in response to such letters.
Eleanor said,
Juries understand racism and, at least for the most part unless they are consciously racist, don’t blame the victims. However, most people, even though they would never consciously discriminate against people with disabilities, have the basic impression that there is something “wrong” with a person with a disability, and “wrong” equates easily with “blameworthy.”
Eleanor, if your lawyer friend is correct, that speaks volumes on the work that still needs to happen to equalize civil rights for the disabled.
Synesthesia
Jul 18, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I agree. I think when it comes to people who are autistic the larger mainstream society has to change to accomadate and help in some instances.
The problem is that the larger society doesn’t WANT to change.
Emily
Jul 18, 2008 at 2:31 pm
“Savage concluded, “[I]f I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, ‘Don’t behave like a fool.’ The worst thing he said — ‘Don’t behave like a fool. Don’t be anybody’s dummy. Don’t sound like an idiot. Don’t act like a girl. Don’t cry.’ That’s what I was raised with.”
He himself provides the strongest argument there is against doing what he suggests and against paying any attention to this nutcase. Little short man couldn’t reach his meds this morning, evidently.
Cliff
Jul 18, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Juries understand racism and, at least for the most part unless they are consciously racist, don’t blame the victims. However, most people, even though they would never consciously discriminate against people with disabilities, have the basic impression that there is something “wrong” with a person with a disability, and “wrong” equates easily with “blameworthy.”
I can say, easily, that this is true. The mindset associated with that jury is near similar to the more general association that people make between “disability” and “misbehaving”. Now, in race, I’m not sure I would categorize it as much as shying away from blaming the victim (we still love to do that in the media and elsewhere; read the frequent subtext of the “inner-city underclass”, which is often considered in a moralistic fashion), but so much as being perceived and considered as racist (which is a heavy taboo).
There is a very serious issue, in that my experience, in talking to people, has very much been that there is such an association between disabilities and generally bad behavior. It’s very common, and seems to frequently inform parenting in some respect.
Cliff
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jul 18, 2008 at 3:58 pm
@Patience, am right with you—-the equation of autism with being a—i don’t know—a “girly boy”—-that really irked me.
Regan
Jul 18, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Now I am ill.
I am on an academic listserv on which someone posted the story this morning; they are saying that the man has some points with merit and that my natural bias is keeping me from seeing them, those points having to do with calling a spade a spade in regards to calling a child an idiot or moron, that sometimes disability is just bad behavior and bad parenting, etc.
That it’s framed in the polite language and gravitas of academia-speak almost makes it worse than Mr. Savage’s hysterical ratings-driven rant.
What you find when you scratch through the veneer.
Emily
Jul 18, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Wow, Regan. Now THAT’s disturbing. Not to mention utterly uninformed and ignorant. I’d expect that from Michael Savage, but…oh, wait…nevermind.
Synesthesia
Jul 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm
That is such an outmoded way of looking at things… You’d think they’d know better.
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Regan
Jul 18, 2008 at 5:57 pm
!!???!!!!! may I ask what’s the topic (discipline-wirse) of the listserv—-I’m guessing not disability studies—
Hold your hat. Special Education.
I feel a little better since additional emails are now coming in supporting my point of view and asking if something could and should be done, but my mind is still officially blown by the original takes that “Well, the language was a bit strong but there are valid points”. Blecch.
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jul 18, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Tthis is the comment, reposted, that Regan is referring to—I had to fix the html and repost it
@Regan, special ed—–well, “good” to know what people “really” think.
Kristina Chew, PhD
Jul 18, 2008 at 6:21 pm
The NAA is calling for an “apology and a retraction” from Savage.
Sheri
Jul 18, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Well, he is one of the many obstacles that stand in the way to provide people the help they need. It is a wonder how ignorant people get such high rating jobs? Ignorance is why autism is such a hot topic. Ignorance is what keeps people from getting laws past to protect person’s with autism. When you have to make disabled people look back to get ratings, it’s time to find a new host.
Fielding J. Hurst
Jul 18, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Michael Savage Apology …. http://autismparents.net/
Fielding J. Hurst
Jul 18, 2008 at 11:14 pm
http://autismparents.net/michael-savage-autism-apology/
lonestar818
Jul 19, 2008 at 8:33 am
Where was this guy when our kids were first dx’d? You mean we could have saved ourselves all the effort and money of putting our kids in various types of therapy, and all the countless hours we spent working with them, all we really needed to do was just scream insults at them? Guess we can cancel the IEP’s too and just tell the teachers the trick is to yell at them. Quick - call all the organizations doing research on the subject - the cure for autism according to this guy is verbal abuse.
Sigh. I can’t even say the words that come to mind when I hear this kind of b.s. And the fact that his ratings are up b/c of it just makes me sick. With any luck, maybe it is just people listening to find out who his sponsors are so they can call them to complain.
@Regan and Eleanor - that’s some pretty disturbing, saddening stuff :(
Zigzag
Jul 19, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Savage’s modus operandi has been the classic far-right conservative schtick for a long, long time. He has advocated for the imprisonment of AIDS patients, the arrest and execution of gay people, and a war against “liberal” Americans, among many other disgusting statements. His attack on autism is designed, as many have said, to generate controversy. He is the 3rd most popular talk radio host and has an audience of millions who like to hear someone publicly and loudly expressing the hatred they feel in their hearts. I fully endorse a boycott of his sponsors; it won’t stop him but it will affect him.
Michelle McFarland-McDaniels
Jul 19, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Add me to the list of people calling for a boycott…of Savage, of the company that syndicates his show, of the stations that carry his show and of the companies that advertise on it. As shameful and disgraceful as Savage’s statements are, the entities that give him a forum for spewing his hateful venom are even more shameful and disgraceful.
Phil Schwarz
Jul 19, 2008 at 10:19 pm
@Morgan: You’ve summed up in a nutshell what is so wrong with the public discourse, politics, and public policy regarding autism.
We are in a loop, as a community, repeating three maladaptive behaviors whose outcomes we fail to learn from:
1. We get hung up on false dichotomies
2. We chase each new “silver bullet” purported cure or intervention that comes along
3. We don’t fully include and empower adults living the life in policymaking
“Cure” vs. “acceptance” is the biggest false dichotomy. Most parents who say they want a “cure”, when asked to explain what they really mean by that, will say they want mitigation of their child’s handicaps — but not erasure and replacement of the individual quirks that make their child who they are. And as they get further and further along in mitigating the seriously disabling handicaps, they become less and less driven about eradicating the differences that are handicapping only because they are devalued by the mainstream society. Yet the “gold standard” of “cure” and “recovery” continues to be “rendering the child indistinguishable from neurotypical peers”, and finding medical means of preventing autism from developing in the first place. And *that* is what self-advocates and their allies hear when they hear the word “cure”.
Conversely, when most proponents of “acceptance” are asked to explain what they mean by that, they will say that they mean societal acceptance of those autistic traits that are handicapping only because they are devalued by the mainstream society — but not “acceptance” of real handicaps that can be mitigated. And as most pro-acceptance families and individuals discover as they work on real-life problems, optimal outcomes almost always involve building positive change both in the individual and in the surrounding environment and society. Yet this reality is so often understated in articulations of pro-acceptance positions, and so often truncated in the reduction of pro-acceptance positions into sound bites, that parents all too often come away thinking that “acceptance” means doing nothing. And it remains all too easy for those who have reason, or who *think* they have reason, to fear empowerment of autistic self-advocates and their allies in autism policymaking, to construct strawman arguments against a false definition of “acceptance” as “doing nothing”.
The chase of “silver bullet” promises of cure and recovery is a history we have been repeating for more than 40 years. The current crop of “biomed” interventions — chelation, hyperbaric-oxygen, and so on — are just the latest in the series. There isn’t any credible science supporting these interventions — only non-peer-reviewed papers in journals like “Medical Hypotheses”, often with work approved by sham institutional-review boards. Yet the quack practitioners, analysis-labs, and potion- and equipment-salesmen are out there, are paying for (and alas, obtaining) advertising column-space on the web, in the ASA Advocate and elsewhere. And parents are falling for these gambits, with the most effective excretion being that of dollars from bank accounts. The placebo effect is a powerful thing, often rendered even more convincing by emotional and financial investment — and by reassuring-sounding numbers coming from lab reports.
Why does this pattern persist? In large part because of the fear and dread of autism in the mainstream societal consciousness. The major autism organizations and some clinical and research organizations overplay the pity card, emit messages of doom and gloom and “train wrecks”, through websites, media appearances by spokespeople, PSAs (free “public service announcement” advertising on US broadcast media), videos, and print advertising. Parents are led to fear the worst, and often don’t get to encounter the real autism-every-day of families experiencing the ups as well as the downs of gradual progress towards better outcomes. Parents fear for their children’s future once they are gone.
This creates a fertile climate for those who can sell treatments and products that claim to “cure” or “recover” autistic children. Generation after generation, fad after fad, parents are taken in: the hucksters prey on the parents’ desperation, born of fear.
They give hope — false hope. They fill a vacuum that exists because mainstream physicians and allied health providers still are by-and-large not well enough informed about the range of expression of autism, the range and trajectory of improving outcomes, and the real measures involving development of expressive communication and education geared to the ways the individual child learns best, that will help accelerate improving outcomes.
What we should be doing, from the grass-roots up, is pressuring the autism organizations and providers we belong to and work with, to stop playing the pity-and-doom cards; to stop selling advertising and media space to those producing fear-mongering and mischaracterizing messages about autism; to get to work to fill the information vacuum with responsible and realistic information about the entire range of outcomes and the real factors that will improve outcomes; and to get to work to win establishment and funding for more of the resources needed to provide the range of beneficial living situations and support services autistic kids will need as they age into adulthood.
And aging into adulthood is a perfect segue into the third bit of history we are unnecessarily perpetuating. We do ourselves a significant disservice by failing to adequately involve adults on the spectrum in the governance of our autism organizations, and to adequately involve them in public policymaking regarding autism.
As our kids age into adulthood, they — and we — begin to encounter the shortcomings and problems inherent in the options for housing, employment, postsecondary education, healthcare, and living in the community that so many adults on the spectrum face.
Some people claim that autistic adults capable of articulate written expression on the web and elsewhere do not have anything in common with their more severely handicapped autistic children. But those children will grow and develop: with the right interventions and support, they won’t remain as handicapped as they are now. And regardless of outcome, as they grow into adulthood, they will encounter the same paucity of options and problems of access and funding that those self-advocates articulate in written language are writing about. The sooner parents come to this realization and begin to plan for their children’s transition into adulthood, the better; and the sooner they realize that they need to be on the same side of the arguments that the self-advocates and their allies are waging, the better.
Those disability communities which include the people living life with the disability themselves in their policymaking and organizational governance do better by the people with the disability. Conversely, where there is a disconnect between the fundraising organizations and the population being served, the population is less well served. It’s high time we move in the right direction in the autism community.
Cliff
Jul 20, 2008 at 12:34 am
“I am on an academic listserv on which someone posted the story this morning; they are saying that the man has some points with merit and that my natural bias is keeping me from seeing them, those points having to do with calling a spade a spade in regards to calling a child an idiot or moron, that sometimes disability is just bad behavior and bad parenting, etc.
That it’s framed in the polite language and gravitas of academia-speak almost makes it worse than Mr. Savage’s hysterical ratings-driven rant.”
Heh, no surprises here.
You cannot believe the number of times I hear this in the subtext behind my discussion of teachers; there is a will to dismiss whatever issues I have that are associated with autism, insofar as schoolwork is concerned, as “misbehaving”. And there’s no way to address it, which really swamps me in terms of any kind of accommodations, and for that reason alone I’ve had a habit of not asking for them. I mean, even when I’m really ill and need help, there’s this subtext of “oh, you’re just picky and really just don’t attend class when you don’t want to” (nevermind that it’s while I’m having major stress pains (read: like being stabbed with a knife constantly) and retrograde amnesia, which, if they were having them, would near kill them!). And it’s all in the language of “autism=excuse for bad behavior”.
I even once heard that someone I knew and respected, in a business relationship, was trying to talk his son out of being Asperger’s, and was blaming his wife for his son’s bad behavior. And I had dealt with him a few times and found him to be, on the whole, generally rational and personable.
I mean, it’s really more common, especially on the “higher” end of spectrum, for people to be treated like this, and to be considered in that light. Still, it’s better than not having such a label, because then everyone treats you like that, and you begin to believe it of yourself. The label is a self-defense, in that regard.
Cliff
Regan
Jul 20, 2008 at 12:58 am
Morgan & Phil Schwarz,
That’s the sound of me clapping.
Thank you.
Cliff
Jul 20, 2008 at 4:24 am
I completely agree with what Morgan said, and I agree in large part with Phil.
Where I originally part with Phil is that all of the debates are always around false dichotomies. That’s not the case. Some people don’t simply say that they want their children to have more skills and be able to function better in a societal setting. There is a “him/her” and an “it”, sometimes. The “him/her” is athletic, intelligent (but not too intelligent; this person must be the high within standards but should not branch out of them), charismatic. “He/she” is blanketed by “it”, a disease that makes the person act differently and not function as well as others, even denying “him/her” human existence. “It” needs to go, in this construction. There is no room for so much as a touch of eccentricity; it’s bizarre, it’s strange, it doesn’t look good to the neighbors. Only a “real” kid will do, and in that “real” kid there is no room for autism of any functioning level.
Online, I haven’t gotten this as much as in person, where I get it quite a bit. In fact, I have received an entire lifetime of that, and in spades.
The other thing I would hope is that autism would stop being considered strictly a medical condition and talked about in those terms. It’s really not. It’s broader than that and should be considered as such. And the more you use those terms, the more you might as well be playing right into the hands of those who want eradication in entirety, as there will be an alienating difference that will be simply removed when convenient. Any civil rights movement fighting against scientific terms will lose, and I’m not optimistic myself.
(That is, by the by, one of the better things that happened in terms of homosexuality; the discussion there floated largely into the realm (though not entirely) of morality. It is easier to argue against a statement based in moral terms than in scientific terms, because of the way that works; “functioning” is, in effect, a normative statement (which then can be made into a scale of more or less, depending on the object), and while that is normally a good thing in biological terms, it can be applied in such ways as to make psychological differences “disorders”, pretty much regardless of what the condition is).
Otherwise, the rest is very much right in principle. Good statements, both of you!
Cliff
Kassiane
Jul 20, 2008 at 5:56 am
Well, I had some faith in the youth of America restored to me today:
A friend of mine, several years younger than me, wanted to tell me about this story. So, OK, I let him and very sarcastically said “Oh. My. You. FIgured. It. Out.”
And he’s like “yeah, whatever, because you SO CHOSE to have your senses turned up that high, and to not be able to read people, just to make everyone else miserable” and rolled his eyes. So, at least some people don’t have their heads up their posterior.
Sheri
Jul 20, 2008 at 3:48 pm
While I am raising my 5 year old son with autism. The term “son” is listed (in the previous sentence) first. My son’s quality of life is important. Autism in a sense was like a death sentence in a way when we first learned of it d/t the fact that our ideas of what we expected was not yet to come to pass. The main ingredient to autism is your expectations are crucial. Children only do what is expected, nothing more. It is much harder for parents of precious children of autism. Each time a goal is met raise the bar a little harder, although the goal has to be little bitty sometimes to be reachable. People who have autism do have a sense of accomplishments if you expose them to it, yes at first they may reject it but it can be embraced. It is the little victories that are more important to me than an ignorant man that has little appreciation for himself, more or less others.
Kassiane
Jul 20, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Sheri, it’s excellent that you have high expectations for your son. It really is. But there are manifold problems with person first language, and yes, we can pick up the subtlety of “that autism is a bad part of you that is foreign and should be cut off”.
If my friend, who restored my faith in humanity, had been spending the rest of the day saying “We love our friend with autism” instead of “we love our autistic friend” (yes, we’re strange people), I’d have been annoyed instead of amused. That’s my own little ear cringing thing, but the high emphasis on Autism Is Seperate does make me wary, and can start down roads to very uncool attitudes.
Sheri
Jul 20, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I have been in the situation with no speech with my son. We did the ASL approach, written words when PECS were not available then echolalia came and started new issues. I wanted to connect with my son period. Help wasn’t always there. I would not change my sons abilities for nothing. I would like to make his inabilities less of a panic attack. Coping is not easy at all but slowly finding it reachable. I want my son to be as much as a whole person as possible without ignorant people picking him apart when they don’t even know him or others like him. One of the first abilities he achieved was for him to stop injuring himself. Mind you he vented outward to others physically pulling hair, hitting, kicking and biting. Eventually, he progressed. Once in a while he will regress momentarily. The positive aspect is he started reading at 3 years old and that has become our grounds for expanding reasoning. All persons with autism are different. I have been amazed at the positive aspects lately and not focusing on what he can not do. If you tell a child they are an idiot then that is what they will accomplish and little more. I believe this is where closed minded individuals like savage come from.
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